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Into the Wardrobe A Community of Wardrobians 2010-09-23T13:52:32+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/feed.php?f=11&t=10167 2010-09-23T13:52:32+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206985#p206985 <![CDATA[Re: Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]> Statistics: Posted by sunbear — 23 Sep 2010, 13:52


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2010-09-20T16:46:09+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206946#p206946 <![CDATA[Re: Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]> Statistics: Posted by Mornche Geddick — 20 Sep 2010, 16:46


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2010-09-07T15:51:00+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206658#p206658 <![CDATA[Re: Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]> I believe that part of the conflict in Orual's character was that she was continually having to discover the beauty within herself and that in the end she only partly succeeded. In a way, Lewis was far ahead of his time in the sense that he doesn't make her the conventional female character. He directly challenges the beauty = goodness template that exists in many myths and folklore.

I almost wish he had written it from a male perspective instead of trying to see the world through a girl's eyes. I don't think he captures the female voice nearly as well. That may be why I had a hard time with the story.

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2010-09-07T13:39:00+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206637#p206637 <![CDATA[Re: Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]>
paminala wrote:
OK, I finally read the whole thing.
My take on her appearance is that she looks very different from the other women around her. Those considered beautiful are all described as golden haired with curls and probably small in stature (the stepmother particularly is remarked on as being quite small.) By contrast, she seems to have straight dark hair and is stronger so, presumably more muscular.
The only description of her is that she is ugly, and that from a person who is comparing herself to a fairly narrow standard. I think that it is very possible that she is not ugly at all so much as that she is simply a different physical type. This would make her stand out and, in that society, not in a good way. That she falls short of what her culture calls beautiful does not mean that she is some sort of freak but I'm sure she would have been made to feel like one.



Wasn't that an episode of The Twilight Zone? :wink:

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2010-09-03T23:18:03+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206616#p206616 <![CDATA[Re: Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]> Statistics: Posted by jo — 03 Sep 2010, 23:18


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2010-08-23T20:16:28+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206435#p206435 <![CDATA[Re: Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]> My take on her appearance is that she looks very different from the other women around her. Those considered beautiful are all described as golden haired with curls and probably small in stature (the stepmother particularly is remarked on as being quite small.) By contrast, she seems to have straight dark hair and is stronger so, presumably more muscular.
The only description of her is that she is ugly, and that from a person who is comparing herself to a fairly narrow standard. I think that it is very possible that she is not ugly at all so much as that she is simply a different physical type. This would make her stand out and, in that society, not in a good way. That she falls short of what her culture calls beautiful does not mean that she is some sort of freak but I'm sure she would have been made to feel like one.

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2010-08-18T21:37:08+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206375#p206375 <![CDATA[Re: Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]>
Moreover, Bardia who clearly sees and appreciates Orual's good qualities (and who doesn't appreciate a woman who can wield a sword?) still seems to treat her more like one of his male recruits than like a woman. And after she becomes queen, treats her as a comrade, not as a woman who needs his protection. I know this can be attributed to her abilities to fight and rule like a man, but a man never says to an attractive woman, "It's too bad you weren't born a man," unless he means it as an insult.

Of course, one answer to that would be, "Maybe Bardia didn't really see Orual as unfeminine; maybe Orual just assumed he would and took the things he said that way." It's hard to argue for or against that as the whole story is told from Orual's point of view. We can only see her world through her own eyes.

It seems to be the story would loose a great deal of Orual were not genuinely ugly.

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2010-08-18T17:39:09+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206374#p206374 <![CDATA[Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]> Statistics: Posted by Steve — 18 Aug 2010, 17:39


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