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Into the Wardrobe A Community of Wardrobians 2010-09-18T00:25:12+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/feed.php?f=9&t=5583 2010-09-18T00:25:12+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=206919#p206919 <![CDATA[Concerning Warning]]>
carol wrote:
Reep, I can see that for you Lucy Barfield is a crucial person for the creation and ongoing popularity of Narnia. While I do not share your views, and believe you have overstated the case, I am content to let you enjoy this view.

I would warn others however not to see young Miss Barfield as some sort of Patron Saint of the Chronicles.

Dear carol, I certainly can understand your concern and your need to warn us not to see Lucy Barfield as a saint. But I believe you are also overstating what I meant... The crucial person for the creation of Narnia - is and can be no other than only Lewis himself. It can be nothing else than his life-long tremendous love of God and people. And in this concrete case - his love for one living and concrete little girl of four.

This love kept his attention and gave him focus for almost nine years. In subtle ways also affecting and molding whatever he wrote. Lucy Barfield is reflected in the entire book, not only in its most important and most beautiful character. An that is all. I do not think Lewis ever tried to base his book on any single person. But he might have had some picture of what he wished his god-daughter to be. Less seeing what she was, seeing more her future potental. And at the same time also subtly connecting with the potental of every child.

P.S. September 30th. The Going Away Party is already in full swing. Jesus is also among the invited guests. Ready - if it will be necessary - to turn our water into wine.
So as not to interrupt it I place this little urgent message I just received from England here: The Owen Barfield Literary Estate plans to have a small section on Lucy Barfield in the near future. They can be found at: http://www.owenbarfield.org

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2010-09-15T16:39:29+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=206888#p206888 <![CDATA[Re: Lucy Barfield: The Real Lucy of Narnia]]>

MY DEAR LUCY,


I wrote this story for you, but when I began it I had not realized that girls grow quicker than books. As a result you are already too old for fairy tales, and by the time it is printed and bound you will be older still. But some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again. You can then take it down from some upper shelf, dust it, and tell me what you think of it. I shall probably be too deaf to hear, and too old to understand, a word you say, but I shall still be
your affectionate Godfather,
C.S. LEWIS


Also, there was some earlier discussion of photographs of Lucy Barfield. I found several listed as being in the Special Collections Dept. of the library at Oxford, part of the Catalogue of papers of (Arthur) Owen Barfield. They don't seem to be available online however. http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/wmss/online/modern/barfield/barfield.html#barfield.E

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2010-09-15T09:52:57+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=206882#p206882 <![CDATA[Re: Lucy Barfield: The Real Lucy of Narnia]]>
While I do not share your views, and believe you have overstated the case, I am content to let you enjoy this view.

I wrote this story for you. When I began it... you were only four... But I did not forget you. And I will never forget you untill I die!...
This is NOT what Lewis wrote in the dedication.

I would warn others however not to see young Miss Barfield as some sort of Patron Saint of the Chronicles. She was Lewis' god-daughter, and had almost nothing to do with the origin or writing of the stories - she was four when he began the first story (at the start of the war) which did not include a child with her name.
It was nine years later, after he had survived the war including a number of lively evacuees (notably the young lady on whom Lucy P's character is based) that he wrote the story as we know it. His god-daughter was in her early teens and clearly no longer interested in children's tales (although he hoped she would enjoy it in a few years). The tales, the origins of the events and so on do not have parallels with her life.

She certainly seems to have been a special lady to know, and I do not wish to be disrespectful to her. But I feel concern over the slight blending of identity of the three Lucys that seems to be suggested by some people.

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2010-09-14T14:45:26+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=206865#p206865 <![CDATA[Re: No Response]]>
Reep wrote:
Lucy Barfield: the Real Lucy of Narnia - which began to exist on 27 May 2006 and reached 13481 views - on the first day of October 2010 will be no more.


Just a point of clarification -- nothing on the forums related to C. S. Lewis "will be no more" when the forums are closed. As I said in the announcement, they will be changed to a read-only mode that allows people to read them, but not post.

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2010-09-14T13:55:25+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=206864#p206864 <![CDATA[No Response]]>
The answer is clearly: NO! "Without Lucy Barfield there would had been no Chronicles of Narnia"! As there would had not been without C.S. Lewis himself. These two names will remain forever locked; and not just on the first page of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. But also locked in an eternal, never dying Love. I wrote this story for you. When I began it... you were only four... But I did not forget you. And I will never forget you untill I die!... A very humble, a little bashful declaration not of fictional but of real love. which deeply touched hundreds of the first young readers and gave this book its meaning: I am loved, too! Until The First Chronicle stopped being The First.

Not many know now anymore that the first entrance into Narnia was not meant to be from a dirty, dusty attick in a crowded suburb but from a huge beautiful mansion far in the country; surrounded by well-kept gardens, trees and fields. And also that before entering, at the Wardrobe door, they were all supposed to meet Lucy Barfield, already expecting and waiting for them to be their guide. Who had already entered it before them and had been already exploring this mysterious realm for sixteen months - having been the first to receive this book by the end of May 1949.

For us and all others the door solemnly and officially opened on Monday, 16 October 1950. A New World opened, a new country was born into the consciousness of our Old World. NARNIA! A word nobody had never known before - suddenly exploded in London on that day and began to spread. And still continues to spread now, precisely sixty years having passed - in over 200 million copies and 47 languages.

Let's celebrate! Yes, this our little thread or topic - Lucy Barfield: the Real Lucy of Narnia - which began to exist on 27 May 2006 and reached 13481 views - on the first day of October 2010 will be no more. Let us take a brief look at Lucy Barfield at Wikipedia which is really just a brief look back here. On 2 November 2010 she would had been Seventy Five. And let us all thank one another. Cheerfully, with bread and wine!

As a friend of Prince Caspian once said. "My Jesus is Jesus turning water into wine. This is what he wants us to be. THE NEW WINE!"

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2010-04-29T16:12:21+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=204692#p204692 <![CDATA[Seven Years]]> The first and the last day of Lucy Barfield's life keeps returning again every year. Next Monday, 2010 May 3rd, it will be already seven years since she died. We are reminded again how little we know about her, keep wondering again who she really was. And what her Goodfather, Jack or C.S. Lewis, really knew and thought about her.

A question comes back again to my mind which I already tried to answer to myself many times. Would there be, would we still have The Chronicles of Narnia had there been no Lucy Barfield? Her Goodfather is saying to her: "I wrote this story for you". Could he also have written it for someone else? Could he have said this, may be in some other words, to anybody else?

Never was I able to come to a satisfactory and final conclusion. So this year I decided just simply to try to ask others. What do you think? And why?
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2009-10-21T00:12:27+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=200142#p200142 <![CDATA[The Real Lucy of the Dawn Treader]]>
I wrote:
Her brother Jeffrey (Geoffrey Barfield), to whom C.S. Lewis dedicated "The Voyage of the Dawn Threader" said: "I have had great pleasure out of it. But my sister would feel it even more because she is the Lucy in the story".

Did Jeffrey Barfield really say this? Where did I find this quotation? It is from an article about Lucy by Nicholas Roe, Head of the School of English at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. You may see most of his article - The Lion, the Witch and the real Lucy - in the post of 2006 September 19th: viewtopic.php?p=123706#p123706 . If anyone would be interested I would be happy to send the complete text.

Here is my complete bibliography of the more important articles about Lucy Barfield which some of you helped me to find. I believe there are others - and I would truly appreciate your continued assistance.

1. Walter Hooper, C.S. Lewis: A Companion and Guide. 1996, pp.758-760. See the post of 2006 June 14th - viewtopic.php?p=95716#95716 . Quotations from a letter which Walter Hooper received from Lucy's father Owen Barfield.

2. Nicholas Roe, The Lion, the Witch and the real Lucy. The Times (UK), 11 January 1999: 4-5. As above: viewtopic.php?p=123706#p123706 .

3. Walter Hooper, Lucy Barfield (1935-2003). In SEVEN: An Anglo-American Literary Review, Volume 20, 2003, p.5. An Obituary. See the post "Lewis's letter to Lucy of May 1949" on 2007 March 8th: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5583&start=15#p147918

4. Paul F. Ford, Companion to Narnia: Dedications. Fifth Edition, 2005, pp 160-61. The post of carol of 2006 June 4th: viewtopic.php?p=93874#p93874

5. Simon Blaxland de Lange, Owen Barfield: Romanticism come of age - A Biography. 2006, pp. 69, 142, 309, 337. The post "Lucy Barfield in America" of 2007 December 1st: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5583&start=30#p169599

2009 November 2nd is Lucy Barfield's Birthday.
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2009-09-27T00:20:11+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=199664#p199664 <![CDATA[Re: The Real Lucy]]>
stourhead wrote:
I understood that Lucy Pevensie was created after Jill 'June' Flewett, later Lady Jill Freud... Lady Freud said that [in 2002] Douglas Gresham had telephoned her and told her that she was Lucy. Will the real Lucy please stand up.

I understand that Lucy Pevensie was created for Lucy Barfield, later Lady Lucy Rake. Her godfather C.S. Lewis, in May of 1949, had sent her a prepublication copy of The Lion. the Witch and the Wardtrobe with a letter in which he said that he wrote this book for her. That it took him a very long time, since he began it when she was still a little girl. But that his love for her will continue even when he will be very very old.

Lucy Barfield understood him immediately and believed she was "The Real Lucy" all her life long. So believed, it seems, everyone else. As Walter Hooper says, her father never even wondered whether Lucy Pevensie was named after Lucy Barfied - "the opening words of the Dedication are a sufficiently appropriate answer". And her brother Jeffrey, to whom C.S. Lewis dedicated The Voyage of the Dawn Threader said: I have had great pleasure out of it. But my sister would feel it even more because she is the Lucy in the story".

Jill Flewett began to think "she was Lucy" 53 years later, only after Douglas Gresham told her so in 2002. It certainly would be very interesting to know on what he based such opinion.
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2009-09-24T22:10:08+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=199622#p199622 <![CDATA[Re: Lucy Barfield: The Real Lucy of Narnia]]> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -Lucy.html
Will the real Lucy please stand up.

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2009-09-23T22:35:07+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5583&p=199606#p199606 <![CDATA[Dancer called Lucy]]>
BarfieldLiteraryEstate wrote:
I happened upon your topic purely by chance. Reading through the posts has been a strange and intriguing experience. I know my aunt Lucy would have been extremely touched and honoured by your interest in her.

I was touched and honored by your message myself. For me it was a miracle. Yes, occasionally I did dream about meeting someone from Lucy's family. But that you would notice and even try to contact me? No, I can't believe this could have happened just by a pure chance!

As you could see, I am very interested in Lucy Barfield as a real and as an inspirational figure. I truly believe her life and her experience already is, and could be even more, a source of constant encouragement and support for many - not only for the crippled or poor children, as I once wrote, but for everyone of us.

And I also believe in grail quest; in the redemptive power of love and imagination. I will cherish your gift and I will follow your beautiful dancer wherever she goes.

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