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Re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 24 Feb 2005, 21:10
by Sven
Brinnyhoo wrote:I think the Space Trilogy would be a little harder to bring to the screen -especially given the popular world veiw these days which would make Weston and Devine the "heros".


Part of Lewis' whole point was that the popular world view at the time he wrote would make Weston and Devine the 'heros'. Lewis and Arthur C. Clarke exchanged some correspondence in which Clarke attempted to take Lewis to task for, in part, the way science adventurer was portrayed.

Re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 09 Mar 2005, 03:24
by Boyd Britton
I haven't "pitched" a story treatment to an agent or producer in 25 years -- it requires more intestinal fortitude, or just a stronger stomach, than I have -- but I don't think the Trilogy is un-filmable, just un-fundable and, alas, un-bankable at the other end no matter how well done. Well, maybe on home video!. (That's Show Biz, bubele!)

To make just ONE film with least budget for effects, I'd take Hideous Strength and "back-story" Ransom's Deep Heaven and Hressa Hlab knowledge in (animation?) flashes from Jane Studdock's dreams, explained when she first goes to the Manor at St. Anne's. This increases her wonder and confusion over the Director's purpose and his masculine appeal. (Make her an American Tudor? That could snag a bankable star.)

The rest comes easily: Cosmic conspiracy plot plus Arthurian and Academic Satire "hooks" with the Christian and Moral aspects "buried" -- as a foundation is buried -- underpinning it all. Use Brit locations (and actor's salaries).

Do we have a deal, Manny?


Britton/Hollywood

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 08 Aug 2006, 17:14
by TarwathieI
I dont see any problems making perelandra into a movie at all. It has plenty of material to make into a feature film. lets break it down into 3 sections, let's say just to make things easy that each section is half an hour long ( a feature film is usually about one and a half hours )

The first half hour includes lewi's walk to ransom's cottage, the conversations in the cottage, the actuall setting off into the sky, lewi's life over the year ransom is gone, oyarsa's call to lewis, lewis and humphrey taking care of ransom at the cottage when he sets down and talking, then they start the rest off by saying just like they said in the book "and so all into the night and the next morning ransom told us the tale which i tell you now"

then the next half hour could be ransom being dropped off into the ocean, his experiences trying to understand this world, the guords,bubble trees, his attempts to make contact with the lady before finally succeeding. Then there is PLENTY of material before the un-man even comes into the story. at that point theres still plenty of the "argumentative battle" (as i like to call it) and then the fight, journey through the cave, and finally the ceremony.

like i said, perelandra could EASILY be made into a full movie, and in my opinion it would be the best and most beautiful movie of all three.

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 09 Aug 2006, 00:56
by Biff
I dont see how Perelandra could work as a movie. There would be too much dialogue. They wouldn't have enough action. If they dropped the dialogue (the best bit about the book i believe) then it would lose its beauty....

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 09 Aug 2006, 17:45
by Sven
Removed TarwathieI's posts. TarwathieI, consider yourself on notice, modify your langauge and attitude.

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 10 Aug 2006, 06:00
by TarwathieI
i was just making a point geez....i thought it was good.

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 10 Aug 2006, 11:45
by David
I think all three of the space trilogy books would be good:

Out of the Silent Planet would start out with Ransom's kidnapping, the voyage to Mars, his escape, his encounter with the Hrossa (who are like Ewoks) and the eventual encounter with Weston and Divine.

Perleanda would be harder because, as many have pointed out, it is largely a philosophical movie. It would also be interesting to see what Hollywood might do with the Green Lady's costume--nudity is okay in movies, but prolonged, susitained nudity . . . usually not unless its porn. But the movie could be tweeked, I think, and the focus on Ransom's arrival, his discovery of the green lady, his combat with Weston, all of that might work if done well.

That Hideous Strength
is, to me, the novel that would work the best. It would be a Stephen-King-like horror thriller with The Head, the Conspiracy, sinister characters after innocent Jane, Mark a real jerk then developing into a more committed husband and human being . . . Ransom, the horrific scene at the banquet. Yes . . .

I would encourage script writers to take a shot at it and pitch their scripts to Hollywood.

Re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 10 Aug 2006, 11:53
by David
Sven wrote: Part of Lewis' whole point was that the popular world view at the time he wrote would make Weston and Devine the 'heros'. Lewis and Arthur C. Clarke exchanged some correspondence in which Clarke attempted to take Lewis to task for, in part, the way science adventurer was portrayed.


That is true, Sven, but don't you think times have changed? Lewis got a lot of flack in the late forties and early fifties for depicting scientists like he did--but now, I think people don't see scientists in such a good light as people did back then. In those days, people looked to science for salvation and thought it was the hope of the future. So depicting its adherents as fanatics or criminals was considered in bad taste. Now, however, I don't think people are so sweet on science. People see how the scientific community can do harm as well as good.

Another thing a film might do is emphasize the anti-colonial nature of the novel. This woudl resonate with modern audiences, liberal and conservative. There is a definite tendency in Weston and Divine to treat the inhabitants of Malacandra like "natives" to be exploited and controlled. This anti-colonial theme would be very much accepted in our post-colonial world society.

Re: re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 10 Aug 2006, 16:29
by jo
TarwathieI wrote:i was just making a point geez....i thought it was good.

Making a point is okay but can you try and do it without insulting other people? Thanks :)

Re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 10 Aug 2006, 19:47
by Sven
David wrote:
Sven wrote: Part of Lewis' whole point was that the popular world view at the time he wrote would make Weston and Devine the 'heros'. Lewis and Arthur C. Clarke exchanged some correspondence in which Clarke attempted to take Lewis to task for, in part, the way science adventurer was portrayed.


That is true, Sven, but don't you think times have changed? Lewis got a lot of flack in the late forties and early fifties for depicting scientists like he did--but now, I think people don't see scientists in such a good light as people did back then. In those days, people looked to science for salvation and thought it was the hope of the future. So depicting its adherents as fanatics or criminals was considered in bad taste. Now, however, I don't think people are so sweet on science. People see how the scientific community can do harm as well as good.


David, what point of mine do you think you're agreeing, or disagreeing, with?

Re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 11 Aug 2006, 12:27
by David
Sven wrote:David, what point of mine do you think you're agreeing, or disagreeing, with?


Well, I thought you saying that might be a reason the movies would not go over well today--that Lewis's portrayal of scientists as bad guys might not be well received, as it was not well received the forties and fifties. I was saying I think the mentality has changed since then. Perhaps I misread you.

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 13 Aug 2006, 22:34
by The Pfifltrigg
Call me wierd, but the following items come to mind:

OSP: Earth in B/W, Malacandra in Film-Noir-Poster color.

P:
  • Nudity? Intermediate vegetation!
  • More shiny Poster-Art pallete.
  • The cave scene: douse everything but the red EXIT lights (and those Christmas-tree lights at the steps) and listen to Ransom breathing and scrabbling up rocks in the dark and the sound of his heartbeat, then he stops to listen (heart, some breathing) and we hear the sound of the UnMan's heavy, laborious approach. Ransom moves again, UnMan thumps, Ransom stops to listen-- UnMan's approach is heavy and steady and unnatural. Sustain for 7-10 minutes until Ransom climbs out on top where the fight will be (illumiated by the lava fissure).


THS: Start out in color, kind of retro-'40s but color. As the movie progresses, everything of St. Anne's (starting with the Director) becomes brighter and more vibrantly colored as the descent of the Oyersu approaches, and Belbury (et al, outward from The Head) becomes drabber and greyer until the Banquet is in B/W (except for Merlin & Bultitude, and some traces of "colorization" on Mark and perhaps some of the animals.) I would not, however, reveal "Dr. Ambrose" as Merlin until almost time for the banquet.

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 14 Aug 2006, 15:48
by BeeLayne
Pfifltrigg, I love your ideas. :pleased:

re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 16 Aug 2006, 13:56
by Korora
I thought there was a pending movie based on THS, but either it failed, DG recanted permission, or else it was a prank site. Last time I went there, I got a 404.

Eudyptula albosignata

Re: re: Space Trilogy Movies?

PostPosted: 28 Aug 2006, 20:18
by Messenger_of_Eden
David wrote: his encounter with the Hrossa (who are like Ewoks) ...


Funny, I always imagined the Hrossa to be more like Wookies, only their faces were not quite the same, and their voices, in my mind, were more human (as much as I love Chewie's roar...)