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Looking for a Lewis quote on sexuality

Looking for a Lewis quote on sexuality

Postby Jon Himes » 23 Oct 2007, 04:30

I have been trying to locate a quote by Lewis in which he talks about human sexuality as something that may extend into the afterlife. He states that even though it may not be used there at all (for procreation or otherwise), it may be like a holstered sword that a soldier bears with him as a sign of good service. I.e., sexual identity, if properly used in this life, may be retained in the next as a reflection of good stewardship in reflecting the divine glory in that aspect of life.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

I have looked in many Lewis texts and have asked a couple of friends also to look, but we've turned up nothing. Here's what I've consulted already: The Four Loves, The Great Divorce, Mere Christianity, Letters of CSL (ed. by WHL), Letters to Arthur Greeves, Perelandra, That Hideous Strength.
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Postby repectabiggle » 23 Oct 2007, 16:31

This doesn't sound familiar to me, but you might look for it in the chapter titled "Heaven" in The Problem of Pain.
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Postby Sven » 23 Oct 2007, 20:13

Welcome, Jon!

C. S. Lewis wrote:One point must be touched on because, though I kept silence, it would none the less be present in most readers' minds. The letter and spirit of scripture, and of all Christianity, forbid us to suppose that life in the New Creation will be a sexual life; and this reduces our imagination to the withering alternative either of bodies which are hardly recognizable as human bodies at all or else of a perpetual fast. As regards the fast, I think our present outlook might be like that of a small boy who, on being told that the sexual act was the highest bodily pleasure should immediately ask whether you ate chocolates at the same time. On receiving the answer 'No,' he might regard absence of chocolates as the chief characteristic of sexuality. In vain would you tell him that the reason why lovers in their carnal raptures don't bother about chocolates is that they have something better to think of. The boy knows chocolate: he does not know the positive thing that excludes it. We are in the same position. We know the sexual life; we do not know, except in glimpses, the other thing which, in Heaven, will leave no room for it. Hence where fullness awaits us we anticipate fasting. In denying that sexual life, as we now understand it, makes any part of the final beatitude, it is not of course necessary to suppose that the distinction of sexes will disappear. What is no longer needed for biological purposes may be expected to survive for splendor. Sexuality is the instrument both of virginity and of conjugal virtue; neither men nor women will be asked to throw away weapons they have used victoriously. It is the beaten and the fugitives who throw away their swords. The conquerors sheathe theirs and retain them. 'Trans-sexual' would be a better word than 'sexless' for the heavenly life.

Miracles, chapter 16 'Miracles of the New Creation'


Hope this helps.

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Postby loeee » 23 Oct 2007, 20:25

Too bad "trans-sexual" has taken on another meaning (at least on this side of the Atlantic).
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Postby Leslie » 23 Oct 2007, 20:40

Aww, loeee, I was going to make a joke about that!
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Postby carol » 24 Oct 2007, 07:11

"trans" is one of those words/prefixes that had two different meanings in its original language (in this case, it was a Latin preposition).

My dictionary says it means "across, through, on the other side of".

Does that make sense? It's a place of being beyond the sexuality we have here. - presumably into something else.
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Postby Jon Himes » 24 Oct 2007, 14:35

Thanks, everyone.

Sven, this was exactly what I had in mind. I can't believe it followed directly on the heels of the memorable passage about the boy disbelieving in the raptures of sex because of chocolate. It's just been too long since I've read through *Miracles*.

This is a great help. Much obliged!

Sven wrote:Welcome, Jon!

C. S. Lewis wrote:One point must be touched on because, though I kept silence, it would none the less be present in most readers' minds. The letter and spirit of scripture, and of all Christianity, forbid us to suppose that life in the New Creation will be a sexual life; and this reduces our imagination to the withering alternative either of bodies which are hardly recognizable as human bodies at all or else of a perpetual fast. As regards the fast, I think our present outlook might be like that of a small boy who, on being told that the sexual act was the highest bodily pleasure should immediately ask whether you ate chocolates at the same time. On receiving the answer 'No,' he might regard absence of chocolates as the chief characteristic of sexuality. In vain would you tell him that the reason why lovers in their carnal raptures don't bother about chocolates is that they have something better to think of. The boy knows chocolate: he does not know the positive thing that excludes it. We are in the same position. We know the sexual life; we do not know, except in glimpses, the other thing which, in Heaven, will leave no room for it. Hence where fullness awaits us we anticipate fasting. In denying that sexual life, as we now understand it, makes any part of the final beatitude, it is not of course necessary to suppose that the distinction of sexes will disappear. What is no longer needed for biological purposes may be expected to survive for splendor. Sexuality is the instrument both of virginity and of conjugal virtue; neither men nor women will be asked to throw away weapons they have used victoriously. It is the beaten and the fugitives who throw away their swords. The conquerors sheathe theirs and retain them. 'Trans-sexual' would be a better word than 'sexless' for the heavenly life.

Miracles, chapter 16 'Miracles of the New Creation'


Hope this helps.

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