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Postby c » November 13th, 2005, 4:05 am

I found a really funny post on ID at Tom Adams'(creator of the Dilbert comics) blog:



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Thanks, Tony for the link. Seems like a pretty hostile environment for those who are interested in a forum like this.
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Postby jo » November 13th, 2005, 1:16 pm

Did we ever ascertain if Jesus DID say anything about a literal six day creation?
"I saw it begin,” said the Lord Digory. “I did not think I would live to see it die"

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Postby Leslie » November 13th, 2005, 6:25 pm

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Postby Neil K » December 22nd, 2005, 3:31 pm

I've only read the first page of this thread so if I repeat anything that has already been said, then I apologise. I've been thinking and reading a bit about this for the last few days, and this is my view on the Creation / Evolution / Intelligent Design shenanigans - bear with me on this.

Firstly, as a Christian, I believe that Jesus died on the Cross and was risen from the dead three days later. Why? Because in the gospels, there are four different and independent accounts of what happened, and, give or take a few minor differences between them, they all pretty much say the same thing. Hence, I trust them and this is why they are a fundamental part of the Christian faith.

Now, if the story about God creating the Earth in 6 days is to be an important part of the Christian faith, then the logic I used in the previous paragraph would dictate that at any other point in the Bible where the creation of the Earth is referred to, then it would agree with the account of Genesis. Alas, this is not the case. The irony of the whole thing is that the first thing which Creationists refer to in order to justify their position - the Bible - is also the very thing that, for me, blows their arguments to pieces.

I can't quote from verse, but one of the Psalms mentions God creating the Earth; Paul refers to it in one of the Corinthian letters; the beginning of the Earth is referred to at the start of John's gospel; even God talks about it in great detail in Job 38-41: NONE of these refer to the Earth being made in six days or, for that matter, tries to make a claim as to how long God took to make it. So, based on this, the 'six day' theory and the Christian debate over how we came into being is, for me, two things: (a) it's not meant to be taken literally, and (b) it's not of great importance with regards to my faith.

Evolution? I don't know all the in's and out's of it - it could well be right for all I know. What I don't understand is where the idea of it governing itself comes from: how can it possibly rule out the idea that someone or something is in charge of it or, failing that, set it in motion? I don't like the way it's used to bash religion rather than purely as a scientific theory. As many scientists have said, but the proponents of atheistic evolution don't seem to understand, science can tell you how things work but it can't always tell you why that thing should be made the way it is and it can never explain why it should even be there in the first place. For me, this elevation of biology to the level of metaphysics is wrong.

Also, I can't understand how it is taught in schools as scientific fact when amongst scientific circles the debate over it's validity and accuracy is still ongoing. Richard Dawkins and his ilk can slag off religious fundamentalists all they like, but the problem is that they are the fundamentalists of their own profession when they say they've got 'The Answer' to life on out planet and expect Christianity to die overnight. Isn't it the nature of science that one theory takes precedence until another comes along and betters it? How can you rule out the possibility that in, say, 10,000 years time several new theories will have come and gone, and that Darwinism will be a mere footnote? To me, the attitude of Dawkins is sheer and unfounded arrogance.

In general, I don't think Creationists are in the right, but I don't think the Evolutionists are either. What I believe is that the debate is pointless and, in many instances, is fought against a background of ignorance (and in some cases I feel this is deliberate) on both sides. I believe that God made the Universe and everything in it: I'm not particularly bothered how He did it and How long he took to do it. You may think that a cop out but I came to that conclusion from reading my Bible.
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Postby Leslie » December 22nd, 2005, 7:27 pm

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Postby loeee » December 22nd, 2005, 8:37 pm

Indeed, Neil, very well said.

I will never forget a high school biology teacher who stated forcefully, "I don't care how religious you are, no scientist can believe in creation!"

I don't see that evolution and creation are mutually exclusive; and I've always wondered what the heck the words "morning" and "evening" mean in a time prior to the creation of the sun.

I've always felt that the writer of the Genesis account was given a vision of what the creation would have looked like if he could have watched it, and then left to find the words to describe it as best he could. However long the actual creation would have taken, he would have experienced it in the way we experience a movie or a book, time is compressed so we can grasp the story.
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Postby King Peter » December 23rd, 2005, 5:13 am

"But if the Witch could have looked a little further back, into the stillness and the darkness before Time dawned, she would have read there a different incantation. She would have known that when a willing victim who has committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards." - The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
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Postby Jeff » December 23rd, 2005, 6:00 am

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