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Same old, same old

Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Polarbeast » January 5th, 2006, 7:41 pm

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Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Jeff » January 5th, 2006, 8:26 pm

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Re: re: Same old, same old

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Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Jeff » January 5th, 2006, 9:02 pm

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re: Same old, same old

Postby Jeff » January 5th, 2006, 9:07 pm

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Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Stanley Anderson » January 5th, 2006, 9:51 pm

…on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a fair green country under a swift sunrise.
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Re: re: Same old, same old

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re: Same old, same old

Postby Leslie » January 5th, 2006, 11:44 pm

"What are you laughing at?"
"At myself. My little puny self," said Phillipa.
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Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Leslie » January 5th, 2006, 11:46 pm

"What are you laughing at?"
"At myself. My little puny self," said Phillipa.
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Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Jeff » January 5th, 2006, 11:49 pm

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Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Jeff » January 5th, 2006, 11:50 pm

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re: Same old, same old

Postby Robert » January 6th, 2006, 3:39 am

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Re: re: Same old, same old

Postby Adam » January 6th, 2006, 4:44 am

My first criticism is of the first proposition regarding the measure of greatness. There exists an unresolvable dichotomy between tribal and universal morality (a dichotomy patterned after, but somewhat distinct from, Nietzsche's master and slave morality); tribal morality includes courage, honor, loyalty, vengeance, jealousy, purity, holiness; universal morality includes humility, lowliness, equality, mercy, compassion, charity, sacrifice; the great frustration of modern society is the difficulty maintaining a balance between the two set of ideals while simultaneously maintaining a balance between the two ways of living. "Greatness" defined as excellence in all categories of virtue is absurd, because virtues are contradictory and must be balanced.

My second criticism is of the fifth proposition regarding a confusion between nature and existence. A mind can conceive various orders or categories of existence, but it can do nothing to prove the existence of any being within that order or category. If we have an experience which overwhelms the physical order, a sensation which our physical body cannot contain which causes it to weep or shake, then we can imagine another plane of existence beyond our senses, but we cannot prove a personal existence upon that plane. That is, we can always reason what a God may look like were He to exist, but we can not but take a leap of faith regarding His actual existence.

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re: Same old, same old

Postby Robert » January 6th, 2006, 1:28 pm

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re: Same old, same old

Postby bibble » January 6th, 2006, 4:36 pm

Here's a question. If there were an undeniable proof of God's existence, wouldn't that do some violence to the notion that we must choose God of our own free will? And to the notion of faith? Faith seems to be of diminished importance if there's an undeniable proof..

Although I suppose there's always room to see and not believe.

But isn't there some reason why God doesn't simply show Himself to the world and by means of "overwhelming evidence" convert (and thereby save) everyone? I don't know what the reason is exactly, but.. isn't there?

Or does an irrefutable, technical proof of God exist, and is it accessible only to those clever enough to "get" it?
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