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Postby John Anthony » October 23rd, 2006, 11:42 pm

Sarah, maybe you could ask your teacher how he would translate kolasis aionios, and what if any difficulties translation of these words presents. I'd certainly be interested in what he says.
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Postby nomad » October 23rd, 2006, 11:44 pm

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Postby Sarah N. » October 24th, 2006, 12:05 am

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Postby Karen » October 24th, 2006, 12:29 am

Perhaps will help.
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Postby John Anthony » October 24th, 2006, 12:58 am

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Postby Karen » October 24th, 2006, 1:22 am

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Postby alecto » October 24th, 2006, 11:58 am

kolasis is from kolazo, the verb meaning "to prune" or "to curtail". The metaphorical meaning is "to punish" or "to correct" as in "to keep someone in line" just like pruning makes trees do what you need them to do.
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Postby Josh » October 24th, 2006, 1:39 pm

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Postby Karen » October 24th, 2006, 1:47 pm

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Postby John Anthony » October 24th, 2006, 5:06 pm

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Postby nomad » October 24th, 2006, 5:58 pm

This word study is very interesting. It does have a huge impact.

I'd like to raise another question. The sheep and the goats is a parable, so not meant to be taken verbatim. I mean, no one here seems to be suggesting that we are talking about actual sheeps and goats. But a more serious problem is that this parable sounds like we are saved by works. If you are going to take the "eternal punishment" literally, wouldn't you also have to that literally? That also makes me think that this parable is not talking about the salvation of the soul.

OK, now I'm going to go out on a really shaky limb. Could the sheep and the goats be refering to the seperation of our selfish nature from our Christ-like nature? Because most of us sometimes behave like sheep and sometimes like goats. I know that's a stretch. Any thoughts?[/list]
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Universalist?

Postby tampastranger » October 25th, 2006, 5:38 am

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Postby Karen » October 25th, 2006, 11:38 am

A universalist is someone who believes that all people are eventually saved, and that no one spends eternity in hell. There are various verses used to support this, such as 1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. There are, of course, verses on both sides of the issue. :smile:

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Postby nomad » October 25th, 2006, 10:45 pm

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Postby lee_merrill » October 27th, 2006, 1:43 am

"As Macdonald said, 'No one loves because he sees reason, but because he loves.'" (C.S. Lewis)
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