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PostPosted: October 23rd, 2006, 11:42 pm
by John Anthony
Sarah, maybe you could ask your teacher how he would translate kolasis aionios, and what if any difficulties translation of these words presents. I'd certainly be interested in what he says.

PostPosted: October 23rd, 2006, 11:44 pm
by nomad
me too

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 12:05 am
by Sarah N.

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 12:29 am
by Karen
Perhaps will help.

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 12:58 am
by John Anthony

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 1:22 am
by Karen

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 11:58 am
by alecto
kolasis is from kolazo, the verb meaning "to prune" or "to curtail". The metaphorical meaning is "to punish" or "to correct" as in "to keep someone in line" just like pruning makes trees do what you need them to do.

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 1:39 pm
by Josh

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 1:47 pm
by Karen

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 5:06 pm
by John Anthony

PostPosted: October 24th, 2006, 5:58 pm
by nomad
This word study is very interesting. It does have a huge impact.

I'd like to raise another question. The sheep and the goats is a parable, so not meant to be taken verbatim. I mean, no one here seems to be suggesting that we are talking about actual sheeps and goats. But a more serious problem is that this parable sounds like we are saved by works. If you are going to take the "eternal punishment" literally, wouldn't you also have to that literally? That also makes me think that this parable is not talking about the salvation of the soul.

OK, now I'm going to go out on a really shaky limb. Could the sheep and the goats be refering to the seperation of our selfish nature from our Christ-like nature? Because most of us sometimes behave like sheep and sometimes like goats. I know that's a stretch. Any thoughts?[/list]

Universalist?

PostPosted: October 25th, 2006, 5:38 am
by tampastranger

PostPosted: October 25th, 2006, 11:38 am
by Karen
A universalist is someone who believes that all people are eventually saved, and that no one spends eternity in hell. There are various verses used to support this, such as 1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. There are, of course, verses on both sides of the issue. :smile:

As for your Wardrobe status, you can either send a private message to John or post your question in the

PostPosted: October 25th, 2006, 10:45 pm
by nomad

PostPosted: October 27th, 2006, 1:43 am
by lee_merrill