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Postby Lioba » April 30th, 2008, 6:53 pm

:coffee: This morning Ilooked for a good newspaper besides my breakfast and I saw that one magazine had chosen Old Hellas as this weeks theme, so I took this. Their were some good stories .One was about Aristotle. Seems, that their exist still a few people, who value the old philosophers. One little note was rather funny,given as an example for his tendency to observe and comment almost everything :his observations regarding the excessive use of alcohol[I guess, he had a lot of opportunities to watch this as the macedonian
kings had a little lack of temperance]:
People who have drunk any kind of alkohol except beer, shift and tumble in any direction, those who drink beer only shift behind and then lay on their backs. :toothy-grin:
Back to theme-
As a little intermezzo-how can the virtues be brought back to peoples focus?
Aristotle himself had some hope in the States responsibilty .He said, that polititians should care for the people learning to become virtuous. Therefore they should have knowledge about the human soul same way as medical specialists know about the whole human body.
Thinking about todays politicians I´m not too optimistic.
As Ben wrote, governments value virtue to a certain degree- as long as it makes people easy-to-rule-subjects, but they don´t want citicens who think and judge independently and follow their moral principles.
so, if not the government-who else.We can ay, then the family has to take over the resposibility. Nice idea, but in a society, where so much is already lost, that will not be enough.As Aristotle says, Prudence belongs to those virtues that are learned by teaching and experience,Justice, Fortitude and Temperance we learn mostly through constant discipline.
Where is the place for this?
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Postby Lioba » May 1st, 2008, 8:49 am

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Postby Stanley Anderson » May 1st, 2008, 1:02 pm

…on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a fair green country under a swift sunrise.
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Postby Lioba » May 1st, 2008, 1:24 pm

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Postby Lioba » May 1st, 2008, 2:22 pm

Their is one more aspect- some things belong to a person, because he deserves them by what he does . That is what I tried to explain with the term balance of exchanges.
But their are things that are our own because they are given to us -a heritage, a gift or even a lotteries jackpot.Those things are a persons belongings and it would be wrong to to take them away.
But their are things that are our own from another source- our life, our freedom, our dignity, our reputation , our relations.
The question is on which foundations we value them and what it means to to show an attitude of justice in this area of human life.
What do think about that?
For example: I foundmyself saying something nasty about a person I was very angry with at that time- I wish, I hadn´t done so- was really sorry. :lipssealed:
Somehow I got the feeling, this was against justice - violating her dignity and reputation.
A good final sentence about this comes from Thomas:
Mercy without justice is the mother of destruction, justice without mercy is cruelty.
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Postby Lioba » May 1st, 2008, 2:43 pm

But what about things that can not be rewarded properly? Aristotle says, that their can not be the meisure of justice betwen those who are bound together in a deeper sense. The love and care of good parents can not be "paid back" in an appropriate way, this goes beyond justice.
The same we see in many other situations. Sometimes we need and get more hen we can give back, another time we are asked to give without proper reward. As a Christian I know that a never can pay back to god what he did for me.
The only rewards I can give are gratefulness and piety and my readyness to give to those in need who can not reward me.
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Postby Lioba » May 1st, 2008, 2:57 pm

:??: HELP !!
Lost in translation!
Ben and those of you, who know some German- what would be a good translation of this Ouote?
Denn auch dies ist unsere Art:da am freiesten zu wagen, wo wir am besten überlegt haben. Bei andern aber zeugt nur die Unkenntnis Tapferkeit, die Überlegung jedoch Zagen.
I tried with this words:
So this also is our way: to risk most freely, where we had reflected best.
In others only ignorance begets fortitude, reflection begets reluctance.
That´s from one of Pericles´speeches and is quoted by Pieper.
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