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Postby Ben2747 » April 27th, 2008, 12:44 am

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Postby Lioba » April 28th, 2008, 7:18 am

When I read todays C. S. L.-Quote, I thougt, that it will fit perfectly into the theme " Justice", so I copied it in this thread.


A dogmatic belief in objective value is necessary to the very idea of a rule which is not tyranny or an obedience which is not slavery.

The Abolition of Man


Talking about Justice according to the ideas of Aristotle, Thomas and their followers, we have to keep in mind, that they only make sense, when their is something before- a fundamental idea about what is right and from which sources it comes. This fundamental idea and the principles that come from it are first, but they are not Justice itself, because Justice is connected to outward action according to the unchangeable "basics".
For example, if I believe, that life is a gift of an higher entity, then it is naturally given to man by someone or something higher than mankind and man is not allowed to take another mans life just because it pleases him. If i do not believe in this, I can decide, that it is sensible or civilised to say Do not murderl; but their is no unchangeable fundament, on which I stand- it´s just an opinion and opinions can change anytime.
You can see it in history-Hitler turned from the Jewish-hellenistic foundations of european history and turned to a fantastic mixture of pseudo-pagan nonsense.He gave up the "basics" So he could start to kill all the Jews, Sinti, Roma, and people with slawian origin. Their have been progroms before in germany, but they always had been stopped after a while, because they did not really fit into the fundamental principles of the state- although they fit in nicely into the "opinions" in some peoples heads.Those progroms were an example of poorly exercised Justice, the Nazi-Regime was the total end of Morality and Justice in this country for many years.
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Postby Lioba » April 28th, 2008, 7:44 am

Hi, Ben and mitchellmckain- do you think, that virtue-orientated ethics have still a chance in moderm life?
O, and I need some help with translation-a real good english term for fortitudine and temperantia.
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Postby alecto » April 28th, 2008, 11:11 pm

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Postby Lioba » April 28th, 2008, 11:36 pm

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