rusmeister, thank you. The quote about your former teacher is crazy. I like this quote especially.... "I could have lied about my beliefs in class, but what is the point of that in America?” Head told me. “We are not free unless we choose to exercise our freedoms without fear of reprisals. I choose freedom, and I choose to defend my beliefs against state indoctrination.”
Very true. I think (getting off subject a wee bit) the less we actively use and defend our rights, the easier they are to take away.
I have read too many stories lately where students are told they can not do anything "religious" at school. One student was told that the drawing he did for class, drew the picture at home then turned it in. He got a zero because it had a cross and a scripture reference on it. The teacher said no religious drawings were allowed in art class (go figure, I have strong opinions about that
) yet the boy's classmates turned in drawings demonic in nature, the school had pictures with greek mythology, and even Budda.
I even heard of a judge who told some parents who objected to something being taught in the schools, that parents had no say in what goes on in the school, essentially, they were the states property until the final bell rang......
that is scary to me.
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mitchmcain, you said.....................
"Well I think it is your desire to indoctrinate your children and not let them see an opposing point of view. I think your justification is full of contradicitons. You accept the lie that science=truth and and so you want to include religion in the topic of science. The proper and honest way to do this is religious education. I am all for that, 100%. If Sunday school is not enough then you can make it an extracuricular class every day like the Mormons do here in Utah. Or you can just send them to an denominational school and many people do.
But you know the problem with religious education in the public schools don't you. The problem is that most people don't really want the kind of religious education, where their children will be exposed to the ideas of all the different religons placed on an equal footing. What they really seem to want is to tell their children what to believe and what not to believe, which is the real reason why this is kept out of the public schools. Now I think it would be wonderful to have this kind of religious education in the public schools. I just don't think parent are going to agree with me and so I don't think it is going to happen. The use of ID for this purpose is founded on dishonesty and laziness. And by employing this dishonest attempt of ID to circumvent religious freedom and to destroy science the result can be nothing less than a return to the dark ages. It is amazing how people fail to understand what they have and in their impulse to complain about the inconveniences of life, will destroy what was so hard to build.
Set up a country with your church as a state religions where all the schools can teach what you want, and within a generation your desendents will be screaming for freedom. Perhaps people will become so disillusioned with religion as a result, that the way for the antichirst will be paved with gold. Swinging to greater excesses is the pattern of history, and only in compromise can mankind find peace."
***I never said I don't want my children to see anything else beside what I believe, that is the main reason my husband and I agreed on public school, because of the conflicting view from ours on some subjects, it gives us a chance to show and teach our beliefs.
***I do NOT accept that ID is a lie, I do think that has potential, I am NOT extreme either way, mainly because I don't know enough about either subject to justify fanatical loyalty. And since I don't have the time to go to college for 12 years (I exaggerate some I think...) I will be content with some information about this subject. I will not defend or attempt to explain my view to you because you don't seem like the kind of person who would be interested in the least.
*** I don't think that ID is trying to destroy science, most I think are trying to reconcile their faith and science. They are asking questions and encouraging others to do the same, which is what I thought science was about anyway.
***I do think that a lot of parents what to tell their kids what to and what not to believe, but that is NOT why other theories are not included in school science. The state is telling the kids what to believe, AND telling them they have to lie about what THEY believe if they want to pass with a good grade.
***you said***
"Set up a country with your church as a state religions where all the schools can teach what you want, and within a generation your desendents will be screaming for freedom. Perhaps people will become so disillusioned with religion as a result, that the way for the antichirst will be paved with gold"
^ That was mean. Just because I disagree I am a fanatic in your book? huh.
