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The gods on the DC Buses

Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby moogdroog » 19 Feb 2009, 16:44

john wrote:http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/local/article/184222

FTA: “When statements are said that God probably does not exist, this is an implied statement of hatred towards all those who do believe that God exists.”


'Scuse my ignorance. What does FTA stand for?

I can't help but think the bearded atheists are going to regret sticking heavy duty blue tape to their mouths.
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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby moogdroog » 19 Feb 2009, 16:45

@moogdroog- found it in a catholic german forum

http://www.kreuzgang.org/viewtopic.php? ... 42#p253542[/quote]

Thanks, Lioba. I think my German reading skills are getting marginally better, too! :smile:
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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby postodave » 19 Feb 2009, 16:54

When statements are said that God probably does not exist, this is an implied statement of hatred towards all those who do believe that God exists.

It might be true in some subtle sense. The trouble is that statements especially this type of pseudo-probability statement don't assert themselves. Would people feel different about this if it began 'Richard Dawkins says . . . ' The other intriguing thing is the bit in the article that says the real reason for doing this is to help atheists feel less isolated. But if this is a message a lot of atheists need to hear then it suggests they are a much more insecure bunch than I had thought, perhaps about as insecure as the fundies they argue with. The slogan seems to me to be addressed to wavering agnostics, but I'm not sure it will help them much. We had a long discussion about Dawkins a while back and seemed to be forced to the conclusion that when he talks about probability he is really describing his own gut reaction and it is hard to believe that anyone who is that virulently hostile to religion is well placed to asses the probability of God in that way.
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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby john » 19 Feb 2009, 16:59

moogdroog wrote:'Scuse my ignorance. What does FTA stand for?


FTA means "From the article". :)
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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby moogdroog » 19 Feb 2009, 17:01

john wrote:
moogdroog wrote:'Scuse my ignorance. What does FTA stand for?


FTA means "From the article". :)


*facepalm moment*
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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby john » 19 Feb 2009, 17:06

Personally, I see absolutley no difference between a group of atheists publicly stating there is no God, and a group of Christians publicly stating that there is. I see signs all the time, whether on church buildings or people holding them, that state "Jesus is coming" or "You're going to Hell" or "Repent and Believe", etc.

Is that displaying hatred towards non-believers? I certainly don't think so. Even when people stop me in the street, or knock on my door, wishing to enter my home...sure, it's a little annoying, but it's not hatred.

So why is it that when atheists do the same (at a much lower level, I should say), people cry foul and call it "hatred towards all those who do believe that God exists"?

Seriously...all biases aside (if that's even possible)...is it not truly the same thing?
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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby postodave » 19 Feb 2009, 17:52

All biases aside, yes. It really ought not to be a problem. You can legitimately ask whether the side of a bus is the right place for either kind of slogan but sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. A few years ago here in the UK some wealthy person paid to have 'Jesus Saves' franked on all the letters. The humanist society said this would have been acceptable if the words had been followed by a question mark - perhaps that's the equivalent of 'Jesus Probably Saves'. When this slogan was franked on the mail I remember Ben Elton saying that when an old lady had the letter saying her electricity was being cut off it would be a comfort to see that on the envelope. I suppose you can imagine the same thing with the bus slogan and someone say on the way back from a funeral; it would be ironic at least. Mind you the last funeral I went to the coffin was carried out to the sound of Monty Python's 'Always Look on the Bright Side of Life'
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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby matdonna » 24 Feb 2009, 19:57

have you tried these?

http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/02/01/create-your-own-atheist-bus-sign/

I can't find it here now, but one I saw posted said "There's probably no dog-- now stop worrying about walkies and get a cat"

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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby MoogieCha » 28 Feb 2009, 05:17

john wrote:http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/local/article/184222

FTA: “When statements are said that God probably does not exist, this is an implied statement of hatred towards all those who do believe that God exists.”


I don't think there are many who do believe that the phrase constitutes hate. That's rather strong. It just made for a good quote, I think.

By the way, I just assumed FTA stood for some kind of Transit Authority, haha. I just couldn't figure out what the "F" stood for.

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Re: The gods on the DC Buses

Postby Lioba » 09 Mar 2009, 11:32

Hi, moogdroog! Do you still enjoy learning German? I can imagine that it is troublesome to get along with "der die das", especially when it is about things. I never understood, why a streetcar in German is feminine and a bus is masculine.
And why atheisme is male ? What brings us back to the discussion.
Under which circumstances can it be seen as a relief not to believe in God?
A rather negative one would be the idea that it might allow a person to live a life witout any ethics. But I don´t think that this is the main thought of humanistic societies or people like Dawson.
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