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Differing definitions of "Christian"

Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby john » May 16th, 2009, 10:06 pm

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby deadwhitemale » May 16th, 2009, 10:44 pm

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby postodave » May 16th, 2009, 11:14 pm

DWM - Did you ever read John Bradshaw? http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VGCn ... m=6&pgis=1 You might find him interesting - a lot of his stuff is about what parents do to their children.

John - I've been wondering about this myself - what the compulsion behind some of these arguments is and by that I mean primarily what drives me in that kind of discussion - is it insecurity or a desire to win or convert or what - I much prefer the kinds of discussion where people can explore ideas together and get insights from different individuals or traditions as I think is happening in the Lewis/Anscombe thread at the moment.

I used to go on a site where the guy who ran it was a Christian and had this vision to change the world through what he was doing. As you might guess he got very frustrated at all the bickering and ended up closing down all the forums. I don't think it's only Christians though - there was a question in New Scientist a few months ago about why these arguments break out on forums and I suppose it could be the lack of face to face contact. Perhaps we'd all get on fine if we just met in a pub somewhere. Then again we'd probably all get really sheepish and mumble at each other.
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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

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"It is when we try to grapple with another man's intimate need that we perceive how incomprehensible, wavering, and misty are the beings that share with us the sight of the stars and the warmth of the sun." -- Joseph Conrad, Lord Jim(1899?)
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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby postodave » May 17th, 2009, 4:39 pm

Hi DWM
Just to make it clear - I know you are not arguing or quarrelling - those comments were a response to something John was saying which in turn was a response to someone else. But there is a lot of arguing on this site and most internet forums and I can be as dogmatic as anyone, and although there are times when it's right to stick to your guns I think we lose our perspective sometimes.
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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby rusmeister » May 17th, 2009, 6:34 pm

"Eh? Two views? There are a dozen views about everything until you know the answer. Then there's never more than one."
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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby Leslie » May 17th, 2009, 7:02 pm

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby Tuke » May 17th, 2009, 7:06 pm

"The 'great golden chain of Concord' has united the whole of Edmund Spenser's world.... Nothing is repressed; nothing is insubordinate. To read him is to grow in mental health." The Allegory Of Love (Faerie Queene)

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby Leslie » May 17th, 2009, 7:12 pm

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby Leslie » May 17th, 2009, 7:23 pm

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

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Re: Differing definitions of "Christian"

Postby john » May 17th, 2009, 10:06 pm

Tuke, I truly mean no offense whatsoever in any of my comments. I was trying to describe how things appear to me. With multiple Christian churches, all teaching different things (some of them contradictory)...they simply can't all be right. Even those who just say they follow the Bible don't agree with each other on (for instance) how somebody should be baptized, or even if it's necessary at all.

I just simply don't understand, that's all.
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