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Postby rusmeister » January 7th, 2008, 1:22 pm

"Eh? Two views? There are a dozen views about everything until you know the answer. Then there's never more than one."
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Postby Dan65802 » January 7th, 2008, 8:15 pm

"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - Martin Luther King
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Postby Stanley Anderson » January 7th, 2008, 11:28 pm

…on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a fair green country under a swift sunrise.
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Postby rusmeister » January 8th, 2008, 2:55 am

"Eh? Two views? There are a dozen views about everything until you know the answer. Then there's never more than one."
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Postby David Jack » January 8th, 2008, 8:34 am

"This is and has been the Father’s work from the beginning-to bring us into the home of His heart.” George MacDonald.
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Postby Dan65802 » January 8th, 2008, 3:30 pm

"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - Martin Luther King
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Postby Dan65802 » January 8th, 2008, 3:32 pm

"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - Martin Luther King
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Postby cyranorox » March 3rd, 2008, 3:17 am

I just read "Justice", from the Unspoken Sermons. MD cannot accept the atonement theory, and I honor him for this. It is intolerable and makes the Son appear a wimp, the Father a devil.
While I don't generally do proof-text rejoinders, the parable of not getting out till the last penny is paid and the parable of the unjust steward hint at universalism. The liturgies, of lineage ancient and authority high, the writers having read their Bibles and applied God's words, assert that Christ left not one of the dead of all the ages in the tombs. Since we understand being-dead and being-lost as the same thing, this forms a strong basis for universalism.

Origen, who also read his Bible etc, thought universalism was certainly going to come true. Thus he forfeited being a Father of the Church, being condemned, but he's the First Uncle of the Church and much loved. Palamas and Gregory of Nyssa later asserted universalism, and were not condemned. Hans Urs Von Balthazar argued lately that we may hope for it, but not declare it certain, and just this week I heard Met. Kallistos Ware, who pre-eminently reads his Bible etc, concur.
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Postby rusmeister » March 3rd, 2008, 4:24 am

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Postby cyranorox » March 4th, 2008, 5:23 am

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Postby cyranorox » March 9th, 2008, 7:20 am

regarding freewill - god is not judged - he need not show at least one refuser to prove that all had a choice. Nothing would be deranged, nothing upset, if hell is empty.

in fact, it must be possible for all to reject hell, since each has a choice. anyone who says there must be one damned soul also denies freewill.

--living in paradox, with an eschatological tension headache...
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Postby rusmeister » March 9th, 2008, 9:31 am

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