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Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: August 31st, 2009, 9:18 pm
by meu
Hello to all Wardrobians. I am all fresh & new among you and won't hide that I came seeking for help. I urgently need to know what Boxen, the name of the young C.S. Lewis' fictitious Animal-Land, could possibly mean. Any associations, ideas, ready answers? I just wish to see how do you understand that name, what bells does it ring for you. As time is of enormous essence, I'd be extremely grateful for any kind & helpful reply.

Thanks for your understanding,
MeU

Re: Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: August 31st, 2009, 10:05 pm
by Sven
Just a guess on my part, but Warnie and Jack mostly wrote the stories up in an attic room. Possibly the presence of storage boxes around them gave them the idea for the name. Originally the stories were set in Animal-Land (Jack's) and India (Warnie's), then they combined their individual stories to create Boxen.

Re: Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: August 31st, 2009, 11:11 pm
by ainulindale

Re: Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: September 1st, 2009, 8:00 pm
by meu
@ Sven & Ainulindale: Thanks a lot! It was most enlightening. So, I see that your chief association was "box" as in "trunk" or "container".
Ainulindale: the garden-in-a-tin remark was very insightful & revealing.
Sven: I also thought about "the attic connection" (what for the "end room" and "Jack's desk") and it seemed to me very probable that Jack chose the name because of his surrounding environment while writing, or, more precisely, creating a "land from a box" in a sort of a "box room"... :smile:

Anyway, thanks again to both of you! If anyone else would like to share an idea...

MeU

Re: Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: March 27th, 2010, 12:15 pm
by Lilibeth
Hi! I'm new in here, so forgive me for such a silly question :blush: Still, is it possible to find Boxen somewhere in the Internet? All my attempts were vain.
I'm writing on animal characters in CON, their influences and evolution. So I thought it'd be useful to read what all has started from. Can you (those who've read Boxen) say if this C. S. Lewis' work can help me?
Thanks

Re: Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: March 27th, 2010, 3:01 pm
by Sven
Welcome, Lilibeth!

Boxen is still in copyright, so it isn't (shouldn't be) available on the 'net. It is still in print, currently under the title of Boxen: Childhood Chronicles Before Narnia, though it's rather pricey. You can find earlier printings of it in paperback on all the used book sites for a few dollars.

Personally, I don't think Boxen would help you much any research on the Chronicles. The characters in Boxen are not well drawn, both Jack and Warnie had them speak and act the way they thought grownups did. Overall, their attempts were unsuccessful.

Re: Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: March 29th, 2010, 6:41 am
by Lilibeth
That's not good...I was hoping it would be of more help. Well, thanks anyway.

Re: Jack's Boxen

PostPosted: March 29th, 2010, 8:01 pm
by paminala
I found the word used in some older literature (a translation of Chaucer, poetry by Cowper, Collins, and some others) it seems to have had two meanings. A sort of shrub similar to a privitt hedge as in "An arbour near at hand of thickest yew, With many a boxen bush, close clipt between, And phillyrea of a gilded green." There are also several references to boxen wood, nautical and otherwise.
It could also mean something or someone pale and colorless as in "his face receives the faded hue of sapless boxen leaves" or "So moved the boxen hosts, each double-lined,... With their white standards, o'er the Alpine snow"
There is also a Lake Boxen in Sweden.