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GM's Lilith

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Re: GM's Lilith

Postby nomad » 28 Nov 2009, 04:48

I finished a while ago, but then Thanksgiving happened. Lilith's fate was pretty dramatic. I don't think MacDonald was trapped by his theology - that was rather culmination of his idea and story. At any rate, it didn't seem at all contrived or forced. I'll write more later.
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Re: GM's Lilith

Postby nomad » 22 Dec 2009, 00:42

Ok, so I meant a lot later.

Larry, I like your interpretation of the lovers/giants. That makes the bit about the lovers not wanting to grow up because they are afraid of becoming stupid, bullying giants intriguing.

I also agree with dwm that I liked parts of both books better than the whole of either. In Lilith, I particularly liked the skeleton couple and the way the narrator brought Lilith back to life. That was quite dramatic. Also the librarian/crow/Adam. And the leopards were pretty cool. But in Lilith, as in Phantastes, I felt the main character - the narrator - was the weak spot. Of course he's a literary device, but he sort of just stayed a literary device. His lack of character makes the whole thing feel a bit flat, despite the marvelous imagery of the individual scenes. I also just re-read Alice in Wonderland and Alice, who serves the same literary purpose of leading us through a series of odd scenes, has a very definite character. That makes you more invested in her journey. Of course, I realize that Lilith was actually the center of this story, not the narrator, but I still wanted the narrator to be more interesting.

Lilith herself is pretty awesome. Kind of like the one lost lamb that Christ will search for and bring back from the edge of a precipice - except a lamb with fangs.
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Re: GM's Lilith

Postby Lioba » 23 Dec 2009, 19:00

except a lamb with fangs.
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She is for me also a great example of someone who is afraid to devote his or her life to the service of others. Especially her reluctance to bear Adams children that ends in hate against all children and her inability to open her clutched fist which holds the waters of the land are very impressive for me.
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Re: GM's Lilith

Postby nomad » 14 Jan 2010, 22:24

Interesting point. It does seem that she her vicious side is rooted in defensiveness. But the ending shows that she knows she really both needs and wants what Adam offers, she just needs help accepting it. So just like everyone else, she needs the heeling sleep, only she needs it even more.
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