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Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Re: Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Postby agingjb » 13 Jul 2010, 08:54

Just as, at least in the Inferno, some of Dante's characters seem to remained fixed on the politics of thirteenth century Florence, here the shades are, despite the elapse of subjective time, very much fixed on the concerns and in the attitudes of early twentieth century England.

Blake, perhaps, is part of the allusion of the distorted faces:

"And mark in every face I meet, Marks of weakness, marks of woe."

I suppose, since CSL was not a fan of T.S.Eliot's poetry, the lines from Animula:

"Issues from the hand of time the simple soul
Irresolute and selfish, misshapen, lame,
Unable to fare forward or retreat,
Fearing the warm reality, the offered good,"


are not relevant.
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Re: Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Postby cyranorox » 14 Jul 2010, 15:25

Ah TSL TSE! [phonetics and acronyms don't mix]. so masculine in outlook the birth from a hand is no jar; the faults that mar a man disconnectedly jarring with the helplessness of a newborn. At least, I see a baby, blamed for not making a decision and getting up, like a man; I think he did not.
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Re: Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Postby agingjb » 14 Jul 2010, 17:13

cyranorox wrote:Ah TSL. so masculine in outlook the birth from a hand is no jar; the faults that mar a man disconnectedly jarring with the helplessness of a newborn. At least, I see a baby, blamed for not making a decision and getting up, like a man; I think he did not.


I admit to a failure to understand this. Perhaps it will be best if I say no more.
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Re: Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Postby Matthew Whaley » 25 Jul 2010, 17:41

agingjb wrote:



I suppose, since CSL was not a fan of T.S.Eliot's poetry, the lines from Animula:

"Issues from the hand of time the simple soul
Irresolute and selfish, misshapen, lame,
Unable to fare forward or retreat,
Fearing the warm reality, the offered good,"


are not relevant.


CSL may not have been a fan of TSE, but that does not mean that what TSE wrote was not well known to Lewis and indeed could very well have had an influence on The Great Divorce. I love TSE's poetry, so please don't hesitate to post anything by anyone that might shed light on our discussion of this book, Agingjb. The above stanza you posted is very relevant and helps describe and explain the prevailing attitude of the inhabitants of Grey Town.
"Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
They have to take you in." -Robert Frost
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Re: Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Postby agingjb » 25 Jul 2010, 21:56

Well yes, but since I haven't a clue whether Cyranorox's post:

"Ah TSL. so masculine in outlook the birth from a hand is no jar; the faults that mar a man disconnectedly jarring with the helplessness of a newborn. At least, I see a baby, blamed for not making a decision and getting up, like a man; I think he did not."

is a comprehensive put down of CSL, TSE, a familiar compound poet, or just my reference to Animula, I really don't think I should comment.
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Re: Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Postby Matthew Whaley » 31 Jul 2010, 17:46

maralewisfan wrote:Matthew,
That makes sense to me on who "They" are. Did anyone else find it interesting that when the window was put down someone told the narrator "Do you want us to catch our death of cold?" Since they are already dead this comment was interesting to me.


Since the ghosts are unable to make houses that keep out the rain, when they do finally make it into the bus they are for the first time (since being sent to Grey Town) inside a structure that can keep out both the rain and the wind. Maybe that is why they are so upset about the window being opened.

That comment was also interesting to me and very funny!
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Re: Chapter 2 - The Bus Ride

Postby paminala » 31 Jul 2010, 18:35

I wondered if it were the light and the fact that the air was fresh and clean that they objected to. Since they are permeated with the miasma that is the substance of the Town, such an atmosphere would feel alien and scary.
That same remark struck me "Do you want us to catch our death?" I think they were more likely to catch on to their death and being (as many of them are) in denial of their circumstances they would recoil from that.
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