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The real and the fictional chronology

Postby Reep » 19 May 2007, 20:45

glumPuddle wrote:Tthe people who are in favor of publication order should have a club called 1234567. And the people in favor of chronological should have a club called 6152347. Only fair! haha

And how about a club called 012-3456? Of those in favor of the REAL CHRONOLOGICAL order? 1950-1951-1952 1953-1954-1955-1956?
The so-called "Chronological Order Fans" really are followers of only FICTIONAL CHRONOLOGY!
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The Four Chronologies

Postby Reep » 09 Jun 2007, 02:22

The Seven Chronicles contain four clear and distinct chronologies: two real and two fictional. The first and the most fundamental is the real chronology of their composition dates (1939; 1948-1954). It presents the chronicles as an organic growth and as a living development of the creative imagination of C.S. Lewis himself. The chronology of their publication (and copyright) then follows the first one by another two or three years (1950-1956) and maintains practically the same sequence.

During the writing process there was created a third, a fictional chronology. The stories were gradually placed into a frame of fictional English dates. "Everything began" in the summer of 1940; later the chronicles overflowed into 1941 and 1942. Then they reached out into 1949 and ultimately flowed all the way back into 1900, covering a total of 49 English years. Much later this period was multiplied by 52 and expanded into a 2555-year-long fictional Narnian calender. One date of which was now assigned to every one of the seven books - so creating their last, the fourth, fictional chronological sequence (0, 1000, 1014, 2303, 2306, 2356 and 2555).

Every order has its own advantages and disadvantages while books are read. But on the shelf I prefer to see them in the order they arrived into the real world. By their real birthday - which can be easily found by checking and comparing the first copyright date of any book.

So as not to be kept confused by the new official fictional numbering of the Chronicles I just typed their real chronology on a large self-adhesive label, cut out the dates, and then pasted them on their backs.

And discovered that the new official numbering now says - 2456317!


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Postby carol » 22 Jun 2007, 22:55

Reep, that's an interesting way to describe it all. It's the first time I've read it that way - did you write that or are you quoting from one of the commentaries?
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Chronology and Numbering

Postby Reep » 25 Jun 2007, 01:09

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carol wrote:Reep, that's an interesting way to describe it all... - did you write that?..

Yes. And I am glad you liked it. I could not imagine how "a published or publishing order" could be "nonchronological".
It seems to me that we can speak only about the original and the (unfortunately) revised numbering. [P.S. Unfortunately - because it was revised prematurely: before the revision of the entire set of the seven chronicles which C.S. Lewis planned but never did.]

Still it might be interesting to compare all four chronologies side by side:

o The real chronology of composition (completion):
LWW 1949 March, PC 1949 December, VDT 1950 February;
HHB 1950 July, SC 1951 March, LB 1953 March, MN 1954 February.
o The real chronology of publication (printing):
LWW 1950 October, PC 1951 October, VDT 1952 September;
SC 1953 September, HHB 1954 September, MN 1955 May, LB 1956 March.
(See also http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6327)
o The fictional English chronology:
MN 1900, LWW 1940, HHB 1940, PC 1941, VDT 1942, SC 1942, LB 1949.
o The fictional Narnian chronology:
MN Year 1, LWW Year 1000, HHB 1014, PC 2303, VDT 2306, SC 2356, LB 2555.
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Postby Danman » 26 Jul 2007, 22:27

I WANNA JOIN THE CLUB!!! I about had a coniption fit when I saw the new publications a few years ago with the books all out of order... crimony, talk about taking the magic of discovery out of it for all the new fans and children... sheesh! Made me mad, what do they think they're doing? I could rant forever.

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Postby A#minor » 26 Jul 2007, 23:14

Danman wrote:Where's the sign up? I've got the needle ready to prick my finger so I can sign in blood!

No need for blood; we are a peaceful organization. The only initiation is to proclaim from the hilltops that you are a member (May I recommend the signatures I've made for that purpose?) , and the only requirement for membership is to zealously oppose the evil chronological ordering of CON at every opportunity! Welcome to the Club! :toothy-grin:
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Postby Danman » 27 Jul 2007, 00:59

A#... I'm still new to the site... can't figure out sending messages yet. Anyway, I love the pic of Peter in his armor with his sword. Could i use that one?

I also enjoy Jane Austin. We own Sense and Sensibility and Emma. Would love to get my hands on Pride and Prejudice (not the HBO version... gakkk).

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p.s. I have family in Macon.
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Re: The real and the fictional chronology

Postby glumPuddle » 05 Aug 2007, 19:07

Reep wrote:And how about a club called 012-3456? Of those in favor of the REAL CHRONOLOGICAL order? 1950-1951-1952 1953-1954-1955-1956?
The so-called "Chronological Order Fans" really are followers of only FICTIONAL CHRONOLOGY!


HAHA! I laughed out lout when I read that! "The REAL Chronological Order!" Indeed!

By the way Reep, I did the same thing with my color Pauline Baynes set with a label maker. Except, I covered up the printed numbers with the correct numbers (so, LWW has #1 on it insead of #2)
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Chronological Order: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956
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Postby john » 05 Aug 2007, 19:12

Why not the "867-5309" order?

...okay, now I'm just showing my age.
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Postby Sven » 05 Aug 2007, 19:13

wow, John, that Jenny is something else, thanks for the link!
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Postby john » 05 Aug 2007, 20:12

rar!
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Postby carol » 07 Aug 2007, 07:09

I recently realised that the order is further upset by the backstory of Prince Caspian - the pirates who came from at least the 19th century, if not earlier, make PC even earlier than MN because the events in MN only start with Polly and Digory as children!!
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Postby Danman » 07 Aug 2007, 12:05

Ok, was that an "oops" on Lewis' part? When do you think MN took place? Seems late 1800's to me considering the cabby and all. Maybe, just maybe there was time for the pirates to find the island, etc... and with Narnian time being different from our own. Hmm, that is a bit of a bugger.
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Postby Erekose » 07 Aug 2007, 13:06

Gahh

This has to be raised when I'm on lates, and don't have hands on access to the books for cross-checking.

BUT

I have a feeling I touched on it somewheres in the Heresies on ye olde forums.

I'll try to get the Heretic portion of the brain in gear on Sunday sometime.

CSLewis did NOT make mistakes in the Chronicles! he left avenues option for discussion and expansion!!!!!

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Postby Danman » 07 Aug 2007, 13:19

Now friend, let me stay in favor with you. I don't mean to suggest that the 'Great One' made a mistake.

I would be very interrested in hearing your heresies.

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