I'm glad to see that peace and civility has returned to this conversation!
I would again like to point out though, for Diamond, Esther and Urendil that we should keep in mind the negative press about alleged "changes" that were reported when LWW was being made. As I recall it a lot of the things we were hearing were made me sick at the thought, but the vast majority of them didn't even occur in the movie and the ones that
did end up appearing weren't nearly as distorted from the book as what the press reports and rumours made them sound.
So I would encourage everyone not to just jump on a bandwagon of criticism but to remember that much of what you'd read and hear at the moment is likely to be no more nor less than just rumour.