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Angels or no angels?

Postby BeeLayne » 16 Jan 2007, 15:56

I am directing a musical production of LWW this spring for Christian Youth Theater (CYT) and I have a question for Narnian purists. In the two previous productions of LWW that the CYT in my area has done Alsan had a following (an entourage if you will) of angels. My first instinct is to toss that idea immediately, but I would like some feedback (I may need to defend this defend this decision later). Could (or would) there be angels in Narnia? Why or why not?

Edit: If this topic has been raised previously (I couldn't find anything) please let me know. :wink:
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Postby alliebath » 16 Jan 2007, 16:15

Toss the idea!

There is no concept of angels in Narnia, and it rather defeats Aslan being a lion (though no ordinary lion) if he is surrounded by angels.

Would you put on play about the life of Jesus and have him surrounded by angels?

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Postby BeeLayne » 16 Jan 2007, 16:21

Would you put on play about the life of Jesus and have him surrounded by angels?

Hah! :idea: That is one defense that had not come to mind yet and I will certainly use it. Thanks. :smile:

One of the problems I had with the idea was that it seems to imply that angels are mythical creatures (because that is what populates Narnia).
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Postby AslansGirl » 16 Jan 2007, 21:35

I am being naughtily off topic to say Hi to you, BeeLayne because I'm a CYT kid and it's was immensely cool to see someone mention CYT. I'm nineteen now so I can't do the shows anymore but I hope to teach for them sometime. (Yeah, I'm just going through CYT withdrawal cause my good friend just got a big part in the winter show and I can't do it with him.) So, yeah, Hi. :pleased: I hope your show goes well. Break a leg!

The very first CYT show I saw was Narnia. They didn't have angels in that production, just animals, like in the book. Nor did we have angels when we did it again a few years later. What would you do with angels anyway?
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Postby Leslie » 16 Jan 2007, 23:03

Angels?? Angels??? Perish the thought!

It sounds to me as though previous producers were trying to either a) make painfully obvious Aslan's divinity; or b) fit more people into the cast.
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Postby *~Diamond in the Rough~* » 16 Jan 2007, 23:19

I agree with you Leslie! The directors/producers were probably emphasising his metaphorical divinity...maybe trying to make it more obvious to those who perhaps aren't so astute. Still...that is like taking the story of Joseph and giving him a techno-color coat :snooty: Why do people have to mess with classics?!

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Postby Esther » 17 Jan 2007, 00:19

I agree that the angels should go. It seems as though one might as well put a flashing sign above the stage saying "THIS IS A CHRISTIAN STORY: ASLAN EQUALS JESUS," which is exactly the thing Lewis didn't want to do with it. Even when children would write to him directly and question him regarding the Christian aspects of the story, he wouldn't give them a straight response. He wanted the story to stand on it own, with theological connections coming about naturally (if at all) in the reader's mind, not forced there prematurely.
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Postby Stanley Anderson » 17 Jan 2007, 00:29

Maybe they could be changed to eldilla?:-)

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Postby A#minor » 17 Jan 2007, 02:33

Please, no angels. That sounds really corny, not to mention unnecessary.

However I must mention that I find it poor logic to compare the use of angels with Aslan to angels following Christ around, and conclude that both are ludicrous. Angels did follow Christ around during His earthly ministry. After He had fasted for 40 days in the wilderness, who ministered to Him?
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Postby BeeLayne » 17 Jan 2007, 03:20

I am being naughtily off topic to say Hi to you, BeeLayne because I'm a CYT kid and it's was immensely cool to see someone mention CYT. I'm nineteen now so I can't do the shows anymore but I hope to teach for them sometime. (Yeah, I'm just going through CYT withdrawal cause my good friend just got a big part in the winter show and I can't do it with him.) So, yeah, Hi. pleased I hope your show goes well. Break a leg!

:dance: Yeah! Hehe, we should start a CYT club or something. :wink:
It sounds to me as though previous producers were trying to either a) make painfully obvious Aslan's divinity; or b) fit more people into the cast.

This is very likely true.
Maybe they could be changed to eldilla?:-)
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Everyone has made excellent points, thank you so much for your imput. I can definitely use you all if anyone in my area wants to fight with me on this.

However I must mention that I find it poor logic to compare the use of angels with Aslan to angels following Christ around, and conclude that both are ludicrous. Angels did follow Christ around during His earthly ministry. After He had fasted for 40 days in the wilderness, who ministered to Him?
I doubt that God would send His Son to earth without the proper escort. ;)

I think the idea was not that Jesus didn't have angels following Him around, but that He didn't have visible angels following Him around.

And while I'm thinking about it, why are angels almost always portrayed as female when the only gender references to angels biblically are male? All the angels in the Narnia productions I am referencing were played by girls. I don't get it.
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Re: Angels or no angels?

Postby Messenger_of_Eden » 17 Jan 2007, 05:05

BeeLayne wrote:I am directing a musical production of LWW this spring for Christian Youth Theater (CYT) and I have a question for Narnian purists. In the two previous productions of LWW that the CYT in my area has done Alsan had a following (an entourage if you will) of angels. My first instinct is to toss that idea immediately, but I would like some feedback (I may need to defend this defend this decision later). Could (or would) there be angels in Narnia? Why or why not?

Edit: If this topic has been raised previously (I couldn't find anything) please let me know. :wink:


I would toss that idea immediately. Angels in Narnia?? What next, Hrossa?! :lol:
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Postby Pete » 17 Jan 2007, 07:12

I agree with everyone else here - angels in Narnia - ABSOLUTELY NOT!! :shocked:
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Postby Esther » 18 Jan 2007, 05:41

BeeLayne wrote:And while I'm thinking about it, why are angels almost always portrayed as female when the only gender references to angels biblically are male? All the angels in the Narnia productions I am referencing were played by girls. I don't get it.


I'm going to go ahead and blame the Victorians here. I don't have any solid evidence to back that up, it just seems like the kind of thing they would be responsible for. (I'd love to hear if anyone has any real information on this topic, though.)
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Postby carol » 18 Jan 2007, 09:10

That wouldn't make it Christian, it would make it that weird sect that practically worships angels more than God.

Actually, I wonder whether you were misinformed; perhaps they intended to say that Aslan was surrounded by ANIMALS, and said ANGELS by mistake? (both start with AN...) :rolleyes: :wink:
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Postby Stanley Anderson » 18 Jan 2007, 14:39

Esther wrote:
BeeLayne wrote:And while I'm thinking about it, why are angels almost always portrayed as female when the only gender references to angels biblically are male? All the angels in the Narnia productions I am referencing were played by girls. I don't get it.


I'm going to go ahead and blame the Victorians here. I don't have any solid evidence to back that up, it just seems like the kind of thing they would be responsible for. (I'd love to hear if anyone has any real information on this topic, though.)


Lewis had quite a problem with that sort of depiction of angels. He said something to the effect that the appearance of angels in Scripture is normally terrifying and nearly always cause the people that see them to fall on their faces in fear and trembling and the angel's first words are generally of the sort "Fear not!", but that the Victorian angels have an almost insipid look as though they are about to say "There, there".

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