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When do you plan to see Prince Caspian?

Friday, Opening Night!
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21%
Saturday!
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11%
Sunday!
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11%
I don't know, but as soon as I can.
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21%
I don't know, but it will be out for a while, so I will let the crowds die off first.
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13%
I am fairly indifferent--whenever I see it, I see it.
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11%
I'm waiting for DVD.
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2%
I'm not in the US, and it is not being released for us yet.
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6%
I'm not really interested--I don't plan to see it.
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4%
 
Total votes : 47

Postby Larry W. » 20 May 2008, 10:59

There were other omissions and changes in the film. In the book there was a rather lengthy scene with the trees on the Dancing Lawn, which Lucy observed closely. The trees move in the film, but there's no real dancing. In another chapter of the book Doctor Cornelius told Caspian about observing the astronomical conjunction on the tower while actually informing him about the real Narnia and how Miraz threatened it. He explained it to him in a little room in the film, but that location was not so private or mystical as the tower. Later on in the movie we are shown the broken stone table located inside an elaborate building. In the book it was outside and there was no shrine built around it. Adamson took much artistic license with the story and script.

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Postby Messenger_of_Eden » 20 May 2008, 12:51

Actually, in LWW the Stone Table was outside with no shrine built around it, but by the time of PC, some 1300 years later, Aslan's How had been built and was described as an ancient ruin, filled with cryptic artwork depicting ancient scenes from Narnia's golden era, although the How in the movie was far bigger and more elaborate than I had imagined.
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Postby Kanakaberaka » 20 May 2008, 13:40

I have not seen the film yet. But Darwin Catholic has this interesting post about the lack of farmland. Read about it here:

http://darwincatholic.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-visible-means-of-support.html

I am sure that Lewis mentioned farm and pasturelands in the book.
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Postby Larry W. » 20 May 2008, 14:23

Messenger_of_Eden wrote:Actually, in LWW the Stone Table was outside with no shrine built around it, but by the time of PC, some 1300 years later, Aslan's How had been built and was described as an ancient ruin, filled with cryptic artwork depicting ancient scenes from Narnia's golden era, although the How in the movie was far bigger and more elaborate than I had imagined.


I didn't remember the cryptic artwork from the book, but it's probably there. I always thought that the stone table was just left outdoors as it was, something like Stonehenge. It doesn't seem like there would be any reason to enclose the broken table in a building such as shrine or temple. Aslan might not have wanted it that way because the Narnians would have been tempted to worship the place instead of Him.

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Postby glumPuddle » 20 May 2008, 19:11

Messenger_of_Eden wrote:1) The Blowing of the Horn. Obviously this couldn't have been more different from the book, and it changed how the Pevensies met Caspian as well. It changed Trumpkin's quest to Cair Paravel. It took out the council where they all decided when and how the horn was to be blown.


3) The castle Raid. This was a complete waste, with little purpose and little organization. Though it provided an entertaining struggle that lengthened the film by about 20 minutes (possibly a reason why it was introduced to begin with?) it was a worthless and foolish thing. Again, Peter, having been High King in the past, would understand what is important, he would understand good strategy, and would never endanger Narnians needlessly, as he so foolishly did in this unforgivable deviation. There was plenty of peril for the Narnians with Miraz' army bearing down on them without a foolhardy, testosterone-laden night raid on the castle. Peter would not have behaved in such an honorless and wasteful way.

5) Was Aslan even IN this movie?! I hardly noticed. True, Aslan was less active in this story (in the books), but he WAS there, and should have been shown. They cut out the scenes where the children, one by one, began to see Aslan. They should at least have allowed Edmund to see him. They butchered the whole section from the Bear to the march to the river and back to the gully where Aslan had originally tried to lead them.


The Horn: This was a great change for film. It enabled them to eliminate the need for flashbacks. Including the flashbacks would mean perhaps 45 minutes without the Pevensies in it, and would have been very uncinematic and confusing. It works great in the book, but would have been awkward in a movie. This change also enabled them to add a scene where Trumpkin appears before Miraz, and it was great to see the Telmarines' shock and awe at seeing a dwarf. The major theme of this book is the myth becoming fact, and this scene captured that.

The Castle Raid: Lewis talks about a battle that they all "hung their hopes on" that went very badly. They moved the battle to the castle to be different, because the battle at the end takes place at Aslan's How. The only real change they made is that the Pevensies are present. And after that battle in the book, Lewis says there were short tempers in the army. So naturally, the Pevensies were drawn into that in the movie (Peter and Caspian).
The Raid also enabled them to rescue Cornelius. And having Cornelius imprisoned was good because it mirrored what happens to Nurse in the book. And they had to cut out nurse because the Caspian in the movie is to old to have a Nurse.

Aslan: I think they did what Lewis does with a lot of the Narnia books. Aslan seems to have a presence in the story, but makes few actual appearances. They talked a lot about whether they should trust Aslan or not, and the "moral" of the story ended up being humility. Peter depends on himself at the beginning, but by the end of the movie, learns that all they can do is trust Aslan. Lucy ends up being the hero of the story for her trust in Aslan.
I also liked that the held on to the suspense on weather Aslan would return or not. As I said, I believe the re-structuring of the story was very necessary for film, but one side effect is that they lost the suspense on weather the Pevensies would return or not, which Lewis spends a lot of time on in the book. So instead, they kept the suspense about Aslan, and had him come in just in time to save the day. It works great in a book, but this was a good way to do it for a movie without losing the essence.
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Postby Messenger_of_Eden » 21 May 2008, 01:37

Those are excellent points, Glumpuddle. Thanks for a new perspective on it. I still have problems with it, especially with the Castle Raid, but this may allow me to enjoy it all better next time. I wouldn't mind terribly going to see it again... :rolleyes:
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Postby Dan65802 » 21 May 2008, 13:22

Is anyone else amazed that glumpuddle liked this movie so much?

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Postby Katrina_Rae » 21 May 2008, 20:02

No, not really. I agree with glumpuddle for the most part. I'm not completely happy with the changes, but they add some cool parts to the movie. You just have to learn to enjoy the book and the movie seperate and realize the strengths to both. (Not to say that the movie is better from the book, far from it)
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Postby Larry W. » 21 May 2008, 22:52

Anyone notice any technical errors not related directly to the story? This is a minor thing, but I heard the song of an American bird, the Swainson's Thrush in the movie, which was supposed to have been made in New Zealand. I'm a birder, and that's why I noticed it. It was just after Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy had first reentered Narnia from our world. Perhaps the song was added to soundtrack without much regard for which species the birds were. But there are no Swainson's thrushes in New Zealand and we don't know if they are in Narnia either.

Here is a link to the bird's song (and a description of the bird):

Swainson's Thrush
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Postby repectabiggle » 21 May 2008, 23:03

Larry, that has to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Kudos to you for noticing, though!
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Postby Larry W. » 21 May 2008, 23:40

I'll bet you think I'm really finicky-- at least about having the right bird songs in movies! :smile:

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Postby Messenger_of_Eden » 21 May 2008, 23:55

Well it IS Narnia after all--no telling what birds might be there!
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Postby Larry W. » 22 May 2008, 02:38

I always thought that in Narnia they would be British birds, e.g. nightingales, skylarks, European blackbirds, or something like that. Of course there would be New Zealand birds if the movie was made there, but isn't an American thrush a little out of its habitat?

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Postby Leslie » 22 May 2008, 02:57

Dan65802 wrote:Is anyone else amazed that glumpuddle liked this movie so much?

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Me - I'm quite shocked. I haven't seen the film yet, and I'd almost decided that I wouldn't bother after reading many of the comments here. But if glumPuddle liked it, even after all the gloomy prognostications for months and months, I'm looking forward to it!
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Postby EmmaG1959 » 22 May 2008, 09:07

I have to wait till 26th June here, so shouldn't have read the thread at all, but I couldn't resist. I'm glad I'm warned about the plot changes, so I hope I shall enjoy it anyway.

I always found the romp hard to read and it felt completely unrelated to the rest of the story. Don't I remember something very negative about a fat child?? Must go back and re-read ... but not till after I've seen the film!

Prince Caspian is set in a very different Narnia to the other books. After the Telmarines leave, what happens to the towns, the schools?

I'm sure the Table is set inside a mound in the book, neither in the open as in LWW nor in a building.
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