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Into the Wardrobe A Community of Wardrobians 2010-09-30T15:56:16+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/feed.php?f=10 2010-09-30T15:56:16+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10189&p=207103#p207103 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Ransom's Revelation: This Can't Go On]]> Letters From God. The movie is about a child suffering from cancer who writes letters addressed simply to “God” and mails them via the U.S. Postal Service. As it turns out, God is outside even the reach of the U.S. Mail, so the story is about how others are touched by the things he writes in the letters. The movie overall was a bit sappy for my taste, but it started me thinking about some pretty terrible things; things such as children suffering from cancer, children homeless and starving, adults for that matter suffering from sickness that can’t be cured and from destitute poverty. And then there is the evil that mankind intentionally inflicts on one another, not just on the grand scope like war and oppression, but on the individual scope; abuse, rape, murder, etc.

I was reminded of the time I spent as a youth pastor. At one time, we had a boy in our youth group who suffered from leukemia. He had the best medical care available anywhere and won some victories against the disease, but they were temporary victories. When I would visit him in the local Children’s Hospital on the cancer wing, the horror and injustice of where I was would hit me fresh every time. The cancer wing of a Chidren’s hospital ! There shouldn’t be a need for such a place!! What a horrid world we live in where such a place is not only needed, but never lacks for occupants!

But that is just the tip of the iceberg. All over this world there are multiplied myriads of tales of suffering and horror inflicted upon on people of every age and background. From our doorstep to the other side of the planet, there are endless tales of anguish and torment being endured by multitudes.

And as these thoughts came to into my mind, another thought came as well; a thought pulled from the pages of Lewis’ Perelandra, a resounding clarion call that I think echoes in the back of our minds every day: “This can’t go on!” As Ransom saw the evil that was coming upon Perelandra from Weston’s constant tempting he had a revelation, an epiphany. He realized that some things are so vile, so evil, that they simply can not be allowed to continue, no matter what one must do to stop it. He realized, as if Maleldil were whispering it in his ear, “This can’t go on!”

And I wondered, have we heard the call so long and so often that we have become deaf to it? When we see people suffering from the evil that is in the world, whether it is the impersonal evil of disease and poverty, or the deliberate infliction of suffering by others, how often do we hear Maleldil’s call, “This can’t go on,” but push it aside? Maybe we don’t know what we can do. Maybe the task just seems too big. But I think that many times we hear the very call that Ransom heard, and just don’t know how to stop the evil we see.

A very long time ago our world had a king and a queen, and when Weston came in the form of a serpent there was no Ransom around to bash his head in with a rock. Now, we are left with an entire history filled with repeated pain and suffering and oppression. And yet, I still hear … I believe we all still hear … the same call. “This can’t go on!!”

On this, the Wardrobe forums’ last day, in memory of this great place and of our beloved Lewis, I pray that we can all hear this call, and to make it our own. I pray that each of us can let this call spring from our own heart and even our own lips. I hope that we can each see some suffering or injustice or evil which we personally can stop or mitigate, and that we can let that call come forth and become action; that we can say of something which we see before us, ”This can’t go on!!!”

Now, I know that there is far more suffering in this world than any one of us could ever put a dent in. But, I think each one of us could find one thing, one small area where we can personally make a difference. We can each find something we are passionate about. We can each search our hearts and … for those of us who believe this way, pray for guidance … to know what we can personally do to make a difference; to know what we can personally do to see to it that, in fact, this doesn't go on!!

Now, I don’t know what I’m going to do myself yet. These thoughts just came to me last night. But I know I must do something. I know it won’t be as simple as bashing someone’s head in with a rock, but I do know, “This can’t go on!”

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2010-09-29T11:07:51+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10188&p=207063#p207063 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Spiritual Hrossa]]> Men without chests in The Abolition of Man he was refering to people who lacked a spiritual link between their guts and their brains. That's where the triad constuction comes in. I think of the Malacandran hnau as prototypes for our own Earthbound humanity. What each one of us should posses individualy, the Malacandrans appear to have collectively. And the Hrossa are the lynch pin to their existence.
What do the Hrossa do along the handramit where they live? When they are not risking their lives hunting down the hnakra, they spend their time dancing, singing and creating poetry. They are the "heart" or coer of the Malcandran hnau. They represent what makes life worth living. It's not fine craftmanship or studious ideas which inspire people to make the most out of life. It's the spirit behind our industry that justifies it. Divine spirit which directs our thoughts toward propper goals.
Lewis must have tried to suggest something when he made the hrossa appear as giant otters. It's the warm blooded mammal I suspect he wanted us to think of. The alien pfifltriggi lack the "humanity" of the hrossa. And the Seroni appear so far beyond what humans desire. The Hrossa have things "just right" because they link the physical and intellectual world with the spiritual.

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2010-09-29T10:17:38+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10188&p=207062#p207062 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Intellectual Seroni]]> I wonder if maybe Lewis made a charicature of his own scholastic life with these beings. They do not seem at all practical on their own. Yet taken along side the other two Malacandran races, they complement one another. It's more than simply symbiosis. It's a spiritual need as well.

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2010-09-29T09:58:33+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10188&p=207060#p207060 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Physical Pfifltriggi]]> Out of the Silent Planet, they do play an important part. A sort of foundation for the other Malacandrans'. They are master artisans of all things material. Not content to create simple devices, they look for challleging inventions to manufacture. They belive that the artist who works with a certain material should also collect that material just so he has an appreciation for it. Thus pfifltrig goldsmith's go down into mines just to see for themselves how "sun's blood" in collected. Yet oddly enough, being an unfallen race, they do not hoard these artifacts, but share them with other hnau.
For some reason, Lewis does not have Ransom journey through a pfifltrigg city. I found this strange since in such a city unique architecture and Malacandran technology could certainly be found. So why not? I suspect that Lewis wanted to minimise science fiction hardware in this book and focus on the unfallen people and their leader, the Oyarsa.
The pfifltriggi live under a matriarchy because they have much regard for the females of their race.
They appear to represent the best of physical nature untouched by original sin.

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2010-09-29T09:36:52+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10188&p=207059#p207059 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Malacandran Triad]]>
Over on his Discarded Image study, Stanley Anderson mentioned an arcitectural detail called a triad. Basicly, it's two different elements connected by a third one. This had me thinking about the three indigenous races of Malacadra and their relationship to one another. It seems that C.S. Lewis was trying to say something about Earthly philosophies through the use of his imaginary Martians.

I'd like to begin with the pfifltriggi, Though not because of favoritism.

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2010-08-24T04:55:42+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=304&p=206438#p206438 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Re: Space Trilogy Movies?]]>
paminala wrote:
... "Perelandria" at least (and quite possibly all three in series) might work as Broadway musical type stage performances. The surreal and beautiful aspects could be accentuated and the nudity would no longer be an issue.


You are sure right on that. There is little I can think of that would shock our B'way theater goers. Usually though, body stockings are used to suggest nudity on stage here in big productions. All Tinindril will need is a green body stocking along with a matching wig and makeup for here face and hands.

As for the musical part, Sven has already posted a few lyrics from a Perelandra opera.

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2010-08-23T15:31:12+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=304&p=206430#p206430 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Re: Space Trilogy Movies?]]> Statistics: Posted by paminala — 23 Aug 2010, 15:31


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2010-08-23T06:02:08+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8904&p=206429#p206429 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Re: Star Wars]]>
Stanley Anderson wrote:
What I am referring to is connected with the line in the first movie where Darth Vader and Obi are fighting and Obi says "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine".


I had not really given much thought to that line until the "Heir To The Empire" trilogy written by Timothy Zahn came out and was later made into a graphic novel series. The books take place after the Battle of Endor. The series opens with Leia married to Han, and Luke Leia and Han working to build a New Republic.

Of course, when watching the Episode VI at the end, you may have wondered, "Okay ... Vader's dead ... the Emperor's Dead ... the Death Star is Destroyed ... but there's a whole Imperial Fleet out here that is still perfectly capable of continuing to fight. Sure they've had some set backs, but won't someone take command and lead the fleet against the rebels? I mean, it's not like the Rebels took Corruscant!"

Well, Zahn's books kind of explain that. They also explain what Obi-Wan meant by "more powerful than you can possibly imagine".

Spoiler:
Now I am operating on memories over 10 years old at this point, so bear with me. First, I wasn't crazy about the books. I actually preferred the comic book versions. But both turned the Jedi into a cross between Middle Earth wizards and Star Trek "Q". The version of Luke put forth in these books could probably have defeated Gandalf in a fight. This was before the "prequel" movies came out, so there was no nonsense about "midiclhorians".

In either the novels or the books, the basic story is that once the Emperor died, the Imperial fleet fell apart. They did not realize that the Emperor had basically been controlling and co-ordinating their fighting for years. They had essentially lost the ability to think for themselves. The much smaller Rebel force was able to route the Imperial Fleet because the Imperials were completely confused. Unable to co-ordinate a response, the Fleet was smashed.

However, there was one "Grand Admiral" who was not at the Battle of Endor, Grand Admiral Thrawn. He was the only non-human Grand Admiral in the Empire, and it was implied that this had always been an obstacle to him in his career. The Emperor basically had not wanted him at Endor, so he and his fairly sizable force had not been there.

Always kept in remote parts of the Empire, Thrawn's forces had not been as tightly controlled by the Emperor as other Imperial troops. Moreover, Thrawn is no "weak minded fool", and certainly is not a clone, and has thus never fallen under the Emperor's influence. Thrawn deliberate undertakes measures to help his own forces continue to develop their own discipline without relying on a dark jedi behind the scenes. (The books never use the word "Sith" that I can remember.) He does manage to track down and recruit a dark Jedi to use in emergencies, but prefers to fight without him when possible.

Thrawn takes it upon himself to gather up the surviving Imperial ships, shoring up those worlds still under Imperial control, and rebuilding the Empire. A brilliant tactician, and not having the force to rely upon, he proves himself to be superior in strategic thinking to Vader, and perhaps even the Emperor.

Now, again, it's been a while since I read these. But here's the climax as best I can remember.

Turns out ... the Emperor isn't actually dead. (Did you see that one coming?) Oh, he died. Sure. He's just not dead. Turns out, he has died more than once before. You see, that body he was living in when you saw him in RotJ was already a replacement body ... a clone body. And clone bodies don't do well with exposure to the force, especially the dark side of the force. Sooner or later, you have to replace the silly thing.

The Emperor was capable of leaving his body (you saw the big flash of energy rush past Vader when Vader threw him over the side in RotJ) and travelling to where the clones were kept and entering a new one. He kept a number of them ready to be used just in case something like this should happen.

So the Emperor goes back to trying to turn Luke. And of course they confront each other again.

And Luke realizes that he simply can't beat the Emperor. Even if he could kill the Emperor ... and he can't ... the Emperor would just come back ... and come back ... and come back.

It is then that a sort of revelation happens. Everything that Yoda tried to teach Luke ... everything that Ben tried to teach Luke ... and Luke remembers Ben saying, "If you strike me down, I shall grow more powerful than you can possibly imagine ... ". Luke remembers how Ben and Yoda and even Anakin became "one with the Force".

And so ... Luke does it to. I'm thinking he knew Ben was helping, but that may not be accurate. But, confronting the Emperor, he willing leaves his body and joins the force. And then, he feels Leia, who is being held hostage, joining him as well, and the Jedi twins in her womb ... and together with the other Jedi who have joined the force, they envelop the Emperor's essence.

And crush it. They destroy his soul. They obliterate his very being and spirit. The Emperor ceases to exist, even as a part of the force.

I found that creepy in the extreme. My Christian sensibilities were all offended. I'm not sure that any religion would find that acceptable.

But anyway, in that series of books, this is what Ben meant by "more powerful than you can possibly imagine". Becoming one with the Force and being able to do, essentially, anything.


However, I'm not sure if Zahn's books are considered "cannon" in the Star Wars universe. Lucas Films has this set of rules that govern what is considered "cannon" in the Star Wars Universe and what is not ... and what level of cannon it is. I am not sure where these books fall.

Sadly, The Star Wars Holiday Special actually is considered "c-cannon", which I think is a fairly high level of cannon. It was made for TV and aired only once. It was released before "Empire Strikes Back" and is, I believe, the first appearance of Boba Fett.

Yes ... it's real. Horrible, isn't it?

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2010-08-23T04:43:38+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=304&p=206428#p206428 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Re: Space Trilogy Movies?]]> Statistics: Posted by Warrior 4 Jesus — 23 Aug 2010, 04:43


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2010-08-23T01:58:38+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=304&p=206427#p206427 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Who? done it]]>
Erekose wrote:
BBC style mini-series.. yes. They could probably be done.


I would enjoy the sort of hokey special effects seen on the BBC's Doctor Who? series rather than modern CGI eye candy. There would be less focus on the style of the Space Trilogy stories and more on their substance. THS would certainly be a tough story to translate to the big screen, especially here in the USA.

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