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Into the Wardrobe A Community of Wardrobians 2010-09-27T17:58:35+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/feed.php?f=46 2010-09-27T17:58:35+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10186&p=207036#p207036 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Chapter 8 Summery]]> Moonlight at Belbury is the title of this chapter. And yet it does not all take place at Belbury or even at night time. What connection to moonlight is there in this chapter's three sections? First, I think that "Moonlight" may in fact be a reference to "lunacy", a form of insanity belived to be brought on by the phases of the Moon. So here is what I belive Lewis was trying to convey in chapter 8 :

part 1 - The lunacy of Fairy Hardcastle confronting the one being her physical force has no power over. Her self image is turned upside-down.

part 2 - Meanwhile, it's Sunlight over at St. Anne's on the Hill, where domestic sanity has brought order to Jane's nightmare.

part 3 - Finally, Mark descends into the lunacy of Belbury as his Inner Circle membership is put in jeopardy and Filostrato and Straik invite him to meet the Head.

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2010-09-27T17:25:49+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10186&p=207034#p207034 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Chapter 8 - part 3]]>
The three of them go off to see Belbury's Head. Lewis describes all the technical details about how they must prepare themselves before they are allowed into the Head's sanctuary. It sounds almost religious in the way they must clean themselves and put on surgical gowns. It makes me wonder what sort of harm a disembodied head could threaten anyone with. In fact it reminds me of a scene from The Wizard of Oz where Dorothy and the others go in to see the phoney Wizard. However, Lewis leaves the chapter off here, before Mark, Filostrato, and Straik go in to actually see the Head. Those details will be given in the next chapter through another of Jane's "dreams".

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2010-09-27T16:56:23+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10186&p=207033#p207033 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Chapter 8 - part 3]]>
Filostrato comes to Marks rescue, or so it seems. What really happens is that Mark is drawn futher into the madness at Belbury. At dinner, Filostrato outlines his notion of cleanliness not being merely next to godliness, but in fact allowing us to become God. He uses the Moon as his illustration, claiming that the surface has been deliberatly cleared of all organic material on purpose by an advanced race living below. The details of this organic-hating people are not very encouraging. Apparently not all of the Moon's inhabitants are so privilaged, only it's master race. The commoners are mere slaves to their immortal wishes. Not many datails are given about who or where these Moon people came from.

Before this, Filostrato also gave his opinion about an artificial tree being superior to real ones. I am certain this is something Lewis found intolerable. It is of course an exageration about what technological progress was pushing on the world at the time this book was written. Though even back then, not all scientists were so against the forces of nature. Lewis is of course presenting a parody of real science conquering nature.

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2010-09-27T16:23:51+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10186&p=207032#p207032 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Chapter 8 - part 3]]> Synopsis : After the successfuly staged riot, everything appears to be going well for Mark at Belbury. At least untill Fairy Hardcastle confronts him in the afternoon. She informs Mark that he has insulted Wither by turning down his offer to bring Jane over to the institute. This has Mark depressed about not being in the confidence of the Inner Circle. But Filostrato comes to Mark's rescue. He invites Mark up to his sitting room where he clues Mark in about the Head. At first Mark assumes that Filostrato is talking about Jules Frost being Belbury's head. Filostrato, along with some help from Reverend Straik, then gets dramatic to explain exactly what he means. They decide to introduce Mark to the Head that very night.

Mark feels so at ease with his place at Belbury that he can look down upon fellow institute members such as Steele and Cosser because of their cluelessness. He even regards Lord Feverstone as a man of passing usefullness. This leads up to his insulting the DD by not taking up his suggestion that he invite Jane to live at Belbury. Mark does not like this suggestion because he knows that practical minded Jane would expose all his ambitious new "friends" as the phonies they really are. So Mark refuses Wither's accomidation outright. One of the terms Mark uses to describe Jane's opinion of the inner circle is "toad-eating". The term comes form the seventeeth century when quack doctors would have an assitant eat, or at least pretend to eat what was thought to be a poisonous toad. The charletan would then "cure" him with the elixer he had for sale. This is where the term "toady" comes from as well. Marks failure to take Wither's offer turns his situation around for the worse.

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2010-06-20T03:37:14+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10113&p=205757#p205757 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Re: Chapter 8 - part 2]]> Statistics: Posted by Matthew Whaley — 20 Jun 2010, 03:37


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2010-06-20T02:18:04+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10113&p=205755#p205755 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • One big happy family]]>
What equalizes the Director's "family" is the fact that there are no servants. Everyone must take his or her turn doing the chores around the manor. They all serve each other. Jane comments to Mother Dimble -

"Mrs. Maggs certainly makes herself at home here."
"My dear, she is at home here"
"As a maid, you mean?"
"Well, no more than anyone else..."

In spite of her progressivism, Jane has trouble shaking the English class system. She is reluctant to accept Mrs. Maggs as an equal in her new circle. When Jane goes on to ask if the Director knows that Mrs. Maggs talks to everyone else with such familiarity, Mother Dimble reminds Jane -

- and you were never goose enough to think yourself spiritually superior to Ivy -

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2010-06-05T02:56:50+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10113&p=205480#p205480 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Re: Meet Mr. MacPhee]]>
Kanakaberaka wrote:
MacPhee illustrates that there is a full range of thinking welcomed at St. Anne's.


I agree, at Belbury those that think independently are quickly brought to heel, excluded, or worse end up like Hingest. Mark is constantly worried about his status and his place in the pecking order, but Jane at St Annes finds that everyone is treated with the same level of dignity and kindness regardless of class, age , sex or zoological affiliation.

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2010-06-02T16:01:44+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10113&p=205433#p205433 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Re: Meet Mr. MacPhee]]>
Kanakaberaka wrote:
So naturally I wonder if maybe MacPhee represents Lewis on some level.
I have heard that MacPhee was based on William Kirkpatrick, who was once a tutor of Lewis. Surprised by Joy tells of Lewis' experiences with him and he seems to me to be very much like MacPhee.

I can only guess why Jane also wanted a book on Shakespeare's Sonnets. Maybe she desired some sort of love poems as she thought of Mark.
In the previous chapter, while she was on her way home, she planned what she would do when she got there, and one of the things she intended to do was read some of Shakespeare's Sonnets.

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2010-06-01T11:49:13+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10113&p=205409#p205409 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Meet Mr. MacPhee]]>
I like the amicable "arguement" MacPhee has with Mother Dimble over his opinion or rather his insistance on not having an opinion. In spite of their differences, the folks in St. Anne's can have an honest dissagreement without tearing each other down. Compare this to Belbury where everyone has an axe to grind against everyone else. None of them dare to express their disagreements in the open. MacPhee illustrates that there is a full range of thinking welcomed at St. Anne's.

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2010-06-01T02:01:02+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10113&p=205405#p205405 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Angelic influence]]>
Matthew Whaley wrote:
The residents of St Anne's are I think not so much under the spell of the Director as they are under the influence of Eldils who meet with him. That Jane awakens from sleep refreshed and with that bit of poetry on her mind would indicate that the Eldils are not restricted to just one room in the house.


You have a good point there about the influence of the eldils over the residents of St. Anne's. But we should remember that the Glory seen in the Director and the eldils has it's origin in God. Mr. Fisher-King and his celestial visitors merely transmit the will of Maleldil to everyone else.

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