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Into the Wardrobe A Community of Wardrobians 2010-09-30T15:56:16+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/feed.php?mode=topics 2010-09-30T15:56:16+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10189&p=207103#p207103 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Ransom's Revelation: This Can't Go On]]> Letters From God. The movie is about a child suffering from cancer who writes letters addressed simply to “God” and mails them via the U.S. Postal Service. As it turns out, God is outside even the reach of the U.S. Mail, so the story is about how others are touched by the things he writes in the letters. The movie overall was a bit sappy for my taste, but it started me thinking about some pretty terrible things; things such as children suffering from cancer, children homeless and starving, adults for that matter suffering from sickness that can’t be cured and from destitute poverty. And then there is the evil that mankind intentionally inflicts on one another, not just on the grand scope like war and oppression, but on the individual scope; abuse, rape, murder, etc.

I was reminded of the time I spent as a youth pastor. At one time, we had a boy in our youth group who suffered from leukemia. He had the best medical care available anywhere and won some victories against the disease, but they were temporary victories. When I would visit him in the local Children’s Hospital on the cancer wing, the horror and injustice of where I was would hit me fresh every time. The cancer wing of a Chidren’s hospital ! There shouldn’t be a need for such a place!! What a horrid world we live in where such a place is not only needed, but never lacks for occupants!

But that is just the tip of the iceberg. All over this world there are multiplied myriads of tales of suffering and horror inflicted upon on people of every age and background. From our doorstep to the other side of the planet, there are endless tales of anguish and torment being endured by multitudes.

And as these thoughts came to into my mind, another thought came as well; a thought pulled from the pages of Lewis’ Perelandra, a resounding clarion call that I think echoes in the back of our minds every day: “This can’t go on!” As Ransom saw the evil that was coming upon Perelandra from Weston’s constant tempting he had a revelation, an epiphany. He realized that some things are so vile, so evil, that they simply can not be allowed to continue, no matter what one must do to stop it. He realized, as if Maleldil were whispering it in his ear, “This can’t go on!”

And I wondered, have we heard the call so long and so often that we have become deaf to it? When we see people suffering from the evil that is in the world, whether it is the impersonal evil of disease and poverty, or the deliberate infliction of suffering by others, how often do we hear Maleldil’s call, “This can’t go on,” but push it aside? Maybe we don’t know what we can do. Maybe the task just seems too big. But I think that many times we hear the very call that Ransom heard, and just don’t know how to stop the evil we see.

A very long time ago our world had a king and a queen, and when Weston came in the form of a serpent there was no Ransom around to bash his head in with a rock. Now, we are left with an entire history filled with repeated pain and suffering and oppression. And yet, I still hear … I believe we all still hear … the same call. “This can’t go on!!”

On this, the Wardrobe forums’ last day, in memory of this great place and of our beloved Lewis, I pray that we can all hear this call, and to make it our own. I pray that each of us can let this call spring from our own heart and even our own lips. I hope that we can each see some suffering or injustice or evil which we personally can stop or mitigate, and that we can let that call come forth and become action; that we can say of something which we see before us, ”This can’t go on!!!”

Now, I know that there is far more suffering in this world than any one of us could ever put a dent in. But, I think each one of us could find one thing, one small area where we can personally make a difference. We can each find something we are passionate about. We can each search our hearts and … for those of us who believe this way, pray for guidance … to know what we can personally do to make a difference; to know what we can personally do to see to it that, in fact, this doesn't go on!!

Now, I don’t know what I’m going to do myself yet. These thoughts just came to me last night. But I know I must do something. I know it won’t be as simple as bashing someone’s head in with a rock, but I do know, “This can’t go on!”

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2010-09-29T09:36:52+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10188&p=207059#p207059 <![CDATA[The Space Trilogy • Malacandran Triad]]>
Over on his Discarded Image study, Stanley Anderson mentioned an arcitectural detail called a triad. Basicly, it's two different elements connected by a third one. This had me thinking about the three indigenous races of Malacadra and their relationship to one another. It seems that C.S. Lewis was trying to say something about Earthly philosophies through the use of his imaginary Martians.

I'd like to begin with the pfifltriggi, Though not because of favoritism.

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2010-09-27T16:23:51+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10186&p=207032#p207032 <![CDATA[That Hideous Strength • Chapter 8 - part 3]]> Synopsis : After the successfuly staged riot, everything appears to be going well for Mark at Belbury. At least untill Fairy Hardcastle confronts him in the afternoon. She informs Mark that he has insulted Wither by turning down his offer to bring Jane over to the institute. This has Mark depressed about not being in the confidence of the Inner Circle. But Filostrato comes to Mark's rescue. He invites Mark up to his sitting room where he clues Mark in about the Head. At first Mark assumes that Filostrato is talking about Jules Frost being Belbury's head. Filostrato, along with some help from Reverend Straik, then gets dramatic to explain exactly what he means. They decide to introduce Mark to the Head that very night.

Mark feels so at ease with his place at Belbury that he can look down upon fellow institute members such as Steele and Cosser because of their cluelessness. He even regards Lord Feverstone as a man of passing usefullness. This leads up to his insulting the DD by not taking up his suggestion that he invite Jane to live at Belbury. Mark does not like this suggestion because he knows that practical minded Jane would expose all his ambitious new "friends" as the phonies they really are. So Mark refuses Wither's accomidation outright. One of the terms Mark uses to describe Jane's opinion of the inner circle is "toad-eating". The term comes form the seventeeth century when quack doctors would have an assitant eat, or at least pretend to eat what was thought to be a poisonous toad. The charletan would then "cure" him with the elixer he had for sale. This is where the term "toady" comes from as well. Marks failure to take Wither's offer turns his situation around for the worse.

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2010-09-25T17:41:33+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10185&p=207003#p207003 <![CDATA[C. S. Lewis • Cambridge Companion]]> Cambridge Companion to C. S. Lewis. I'm going to take my time reading it, but I'll post the contents below, and if anyone has a question on a specific chapter post it. I posted this on the Facebook group, too, which would probably be the best place to continue any discussion of the new book.

Contents (chapter title followed by author):

Introduction Robert MacSwain

Part 1. Scholar
Literary critic John Fleming
Literary theorist Stephen Logan
Intellectual historian Dennis Danielson
Classicist Mark Edwards

Part 2. Thinker
On scripture Kevin Vanhoozer
On theology Paul Fiddes
On naturalism Charles Taliaferro
On moral knowledge Gilbert Meilaender
On discernment Joseph Cassidy
On love Caroline Simon
On gender Ann Loades
On power Judith Wolfe
On violence Stanley Hauerwas
On suffering Michael Ward

Part 3. Writer
The Pilgrim's Regress and Surprised by Joy David Jasper
The Ransom Trilogy T. A. Shippey
The Great Divorce Jerry Walls
The Chronicles of Narnia Alan Jacobs
Till We Have Faces Peter Schakel
Poet Malcolm Guite

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2010-09-23T13:39:28+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10184&p=206983#p206983 <![CDATA[Apologetics & Other Works • Quote Dilemma Seasons and Cycles]]>
But firstly, wow. I log in here every few months and am always so happy to find such a strong presence of diverse people all interested in sharing and debating Lewis. I have led small groups and book discussions focused exclusively on Inklings-esque writers (Lewis, Tolkien and MacDonald) for the last 4.5 years and frequently refer people here to either exchange further ideas or to read up on what other people are saying. So, of course, I was blown away to read the announcement posted on September 7th about the forums closing. A sad day surely.

Perhaps before the doors shut this wonderful community would be able to help me one more time?

I'm doing research about the different experiences of the seasons by different religions and cultures and I have tucked somewhere away, in the recesses of my mind, a memory of having read something by Lewis, I thought, where he talked about seasons and about how the seasons gave us enough experience of change to have a sense of things in motion, but that the cyclical nature of them also gave a sense of things returning or staying the same. I don't remember enough of the quote to have had success googling it, and he expressed this so much better than I can. It's killing me trying to remember.

Anyone who recognizes this sentiment from some of the Lewis they've read and can point me in the right direction would be so greatly appreciated. I have a feeling it may have been from an essay in Weight of Glory, or God in the Dock, so I'll be reviewing both of those again but would still love any input any of you may be able to contribute.

THANK YOU!

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2010-09-10T22:28:34+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10183&p=206798#p206798 <![CDATA[C. S. Lewis • Lewis and democracy as seen on atheist forum]]> http://richarddawkins.net/articles/1244
The comments are so self-congratulatory it gets a bit unreal - all the way from the guy who suggests Lewis may not have been aware of Clifford's essay on belief (Lewis takes on Clifford's central idea in a paper he delivered at the Socratic club called Obstinacy in Belief) all the way to the guy at the end who thinks Lewis was reflecting on Psalm 3 and chides everyone else for not looking up the source without being aware of the content of the Lewis book being quoted. But it does give an insight into the way militant atheists view Lewis.

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2010-09-02T17:43:50+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10179&p=206600#p206600 <![CDATA[Inklings & Influences • Because the World Should Eat like a Hobbit!]]>

http://hobbitmeals.wordpress.com/

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2010-08-29T23:00:17+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10174&p=206523#p206523 <![CDATA[Apologetics & Other Works • "The Abolition of Man" Simplified video!]]> object

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2010-08-21T11:35:01+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10169&p=206411#p206411 <![CDATA[C. S. Lewis • Trying to remember a quotation]]>
I wonder if you might help me with a question? I'm looking for a particular Lewis quote, but I can't find it. I think it's from one of his essays. Basically, the gist of the quotation is that civilization is (or has been seen as) more to do with the judge's wig than the authority of the judge; that generations of the past might have seen the flower of civlization in pageantry and ceremony rather than in more utilitarian institutions. It's very relevant to something I'm writing now but I can't remember where I encountered it! And Google has failed me...

Thanks for reading!

Maolsheachlann

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2010-08-18T17:39:09+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10167&p=206374#p206374 <![CDATA[Apologetics & Other Works • Just how ugly was Orual in TWHF?]]> Statistics: Posted by Steve — 18 Aug 2010, 17:39 — Replies 7 — Views 14048


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2010-08-09T21:24:30+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10165&p=206286#p206286 <![CDATA[The Great Divorce • Chapter 3 - The Arrival]]>

Song: Phil Woodward - "Safety"
"I’ve felt the cold sunlight piercing my skin.
I’ve felt the sharp glass on my feet.
It’s some sort of nightmare I’ve found myself in.
I think I’ll return to my seat.
It’s not hard to see that, here, I don’t belong.
It’s no fun to feel like a wraith.
Back home in the shadows, I always felt strong.
I know it’s not real, but it’s safe."

Busy, busy, busy! But here, at long last, are my thoughts on chapter 3:

The Cliff
I think the imagery of the cliff is a subtle hint that what we're looking at is Heaven, but not quite Fluffy Cloud Heaven. We're ready to use the imagery of Fluffy Cloud Heaven when it helps, but are not tied to it. We've already dismissed Fire and Brimstone Hell so we shouldn't expect Heaven to fit the cliche' either.

Heavenly Matter
Everything is bigger and solider out here. This is when we start seeing the passengers as "ghosts" - people we can see through. What do you think that suggests?
(trying to lead discussion here, not just spill all the beans myself)

The Ghosts and Bright People of Chapter 3
The passangers get out of the bus with, "Curses, taunts, blows, a filth of vituperation." Vituperation means, "Criticism or invective which is sustained and considered to be overly harsh; the act of vituperating; abuse; severe censure; blame."

The Frightened Woman
The Great Divorce wrote:
"I don't like it! I don't like it," screamed a voice, "It gives me the pip!"
One of the ghosts had darted past me, back into the bus.
She never came out of it again as far as I know.

Mr. Woodward takes this one line and writes an entire song about this woman. His lyrics tell her story much better than I probably could.

The Big Man
The Great Divorce wrote:
"Hi, Mister," said the Big Man, addressing the Driver, "when have we got to go back?"
"You need never come back unless you want to," he replied. "Stay as long as you please."
There was an awkward pause.

The Big Man obviously doesn't want to stay but also doesn't want to make it sound like he's over-eager to leave. I think at this point he is still trying to sort out his feelings about the place but we come to his big scene in the next chapter.

The Quieter and More Respectable Ghost
I used to get him confused with the Tousle-Headed Poet of chapter 2 because of his arrogance. He is a character very much in the same vein at least. The only thing that makes me think he isn't the same guy is because he's described as "quieter" and the Tousle-Headed Poet certainly isn't quiet.

The Bright People
The Great Divorce wrote:
Some were naked, some robed. But the naked ones did not seem less adorned, and the robes did not disguise in those who wore them the massive grandeur of muscle and the radiant smoothness of flesh."
I find that very odd. I think it connects with some of what was said in Perelandra on the subject of clothing on glorified bodies. But I do not understand why Lewis places such emphasis on it in these two books. Surely this could have been left out and it wouldn't have affected the plot or the message in the least. I think introducing this idea needlessly complicates matters.

The Great Divorce wrote:
Some were bearded but no one in that company struck me as being of any particular age. One gets glimpses, even in our country, of that which is ageless-heavy thought in the face of an infant, and frolic childhood in that of a very old man. Here it was all like that.
Timelessness. It is one of the attributes of God that this would suggest He shares with redeemed humanity in their final state.

The Great Divorce wrote:
I did not entirely like it. Two of the ghosts screamed and ran for the bus.
They could not endure the presence of these Bright People. That is suggestive.

So, topics for discussion in chapter 3: Why do you think the ghosts are transparent while the Bright People are solid? Why do you think some of the ghosts are afraid of leaving the "safety" of the bus? Why cliffs and not clouds? Why country and not city? Why open countryside and not pearly gates? What is the significance of the saint's robes or the passenger's reactions? What is the significance of what the Bus Driver said?

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2010-08-06T23:30:05+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10163&p=206253#p206253 <![CDATA[C. S. Lewis • C. S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud]]>
Charlie Rose and Armand Nicholi

This interview is from Charlie Rose on PBS and aired back in 2003. Charlie Rose discusses Lewis' and Freud's worldviews with Armand Nicholi--including Nicholi's book The Question of God. It's very thoughtful. :smile:

Larry W.

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2010-08-06T03:13:02+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10162&p=206241#p206241 <![CDATA[The Chronicles of Narnia • word count]]> Statistics: Posted by PDYER — 06 Aug 2010, 03:13 — Replies 4 — Views 13033


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2010-08-04T13:32:57+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10161&p=206227#p206227 <![CDATA[C. S. Lewis • Will be laying a flower on his grave this evening]]>
I'll lay a flower and give a silent "thank you" from us all.

I hope to be able to see The Kilns and the CS Lewis Wildlife Reserve which is lovely and, I suspect, has the inspiration for the episodein LWW where Jadis and one of her dwarves change into boulders to escape detection - you can see the two rocks in my "CS Lewis etc Day" thread.

Regards

Mike

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2010-08-04T02:23:49+00:00 http://cslewis.drzeus.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10160&p=206225#p206225 <![CDATA[Apologetics & Other Works • Lewis' mention of Aristotle's works in The Great Divorce]]> The Great Divorce:

"However far I went I found only dingy lodging houses, small tobacconists, hoardings from which posters hung in rags, windowless warehouses, goods stations without trains, and bookshops of the sort that sell The Works of Aristotle.

What does Lewis mean when we refers to bookstores that sell Aristotle? He's describing Hell or Purgatory. Is he not a fan of Aristotle?

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