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Catholic Penance

Catholic Penance

Postby nomad » December 2nd, 2006, 1:31 pm

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Postby Pizza Man » December 2nd, 2006, 9:42 pm

Thanks for asking!

First of all, penance is sort of confusing, for has two meanings. It can refer to the sacrament of penance, also known as confession and reconciliation. But it is usual easy to tell if that meaning is being used.

Sort of connected to that definition is the penance that a priest assigns a person who is receiving the sacrament of penance. In the early days of the Church, when there was public confession, there was public penance also, such as having to stand by the Church door every day for a year(or much less; I'm not to up on the subject actually), asking those who go in to pray for them. As time went one, the Church came to emphasize the mercy of God to a greater degree than the justice of God when it celebrated the sacrament of penance. It was made easier for a sinner to repent, expressing God's desire that all repent and come to Him.
Penance is still a part of the sacrament of penance; now it takes the form of prayers the priest assigns to the person, instead of more public acts.

About the other type of penance, the type you take by your own free will, it is attached to the Catholic view of suffering i.e., that you can offer it up to God, for his glory, and for the benefit of yourselves and others. Now, if that be the case, then suffering that you choose to take on would be no different, so long as your motives are pure, not wanting the respect of men, and so forth, as Jesus says in the sermon on the mount, when he discuses fasting.

I'm sorry I was so brief, I have to leave shortly; I'll try to post more later.
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Postby nomad » December 3rd, 2006, 1:50 am

Thanks, Pizza Man. That's already very helpful. Could you explain a bit more on that view of suffering? What motives might lead one to choose suffering? And is it in any way related to atonement?
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Postby Pizza Man » December 3rd, 2006, 7:44 am

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Postby Sarah N. » December 3rd, 2006, 8:28 am

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Postby Karen » December 3rd, 2006, 1:58 pm

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Postby John Anthony » December 3rd, 2006, 7:01 pm

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Postby Pizza Man » December 3rd, 2006, 7:02 pm

Yeah, I know that people do that also when on pilgrimages to Rome, or wherever it is that they moved the Scala Sancta to. That was the flight of stairs that Jesus walked up in Pilate’s house, or something like that.

As a side note, it is very easy to talk about sacrifices and penance and all that: it is quite another to actually do them. I don't want to give anyone the impression that I am good at that stuff, I just know a little about it.

[edit] Opps, John got in before me. I was refering to Karen's post.
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Postby Pizza Man » December 3rd, 2006, 8:02 pm

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Postby nomad » December 5th, 2006, 5:13 pm

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