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All Europeans have one common African ancestor?

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Postby Leslie » September 11th, 2006, 12:03 pm

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re: All Europeans have one common African ancestor?

Postby Leslie » September 16th, 2006, 10:56 pm

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re: All Europeans have one common African ancestor?

Postby larry gilman » September 23rd, 2006, 7:46 pm

Hi, Leslie:

Yes, Lewis's thinking is peculiar on the fabric of Nature. At least he used words like "may" in his published writings, admitting that he was speculating. For myself, it seems highly suggestive from a Christian viewpoint, though of course utterly mysterious, that all the forms of life are woven from a billion threads of birth and death. We would literally not exist as human beings, nor would any complex plant or animal exist, if our ancestors---all the way back to microorganisms---had not been born and died in a certain pattern. That's the fact of evolution. Suffering was involved throughout, or at least has been ever since some form of pain-feeling sentience appeared. But in what do we participate in the Christian story if not in creation through birth, suffering, death, and rebirth? Deep waters here---but then, if they were manifestly shallow, I'd be depressed . . .

Re. Wendell Berry: I've already mentioned Life is a Miracle, a brilliant reply to quasi-scientific reductionism. His master-work is The Unsettling of America, which made a major change in my ways of thinking when I read it. It's not explicitly theological, but is about "culture and agriculture" as the subtitle has it. Oddly, I have yet to read any of his poetry or novels. Is there a volume of poems you particularly like?

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Lewis 's conflicted feelings about Nature

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re: All Europeans have one common African ancestor?

Postby WolfVanZandt » September 25th, 2006, 2:56 am

I think Lewis was a man of his times and, although it seems to me thathe loathed the Industrial Reolution, it was still very much a part of him so that nature was an enemy to be conquered.

I don't fault people for interpreting the Bible nonliterally. I do fault them for disregarding the possibility that it can be validly taken to be literal. Lewis had problems with the scorching hate expressed in the Psalms. I would also if I forgot that most of the psalms are personal expressions of worship and praise - and other things. This is the Bible being brutally honest. Much of the horrible sounding stuff also works on a diferent level as prophesy.
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Postby Stanley Anderson » September 25th, 2006, 3:55 pm

…on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a fair green country under a swift sunrise.
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Postby Leslie » September 25th, 2006, 5:14 pm

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Postby Stanley Anderson » September 25th, 2006, 6:06 pm

…on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a fair green country under a swift sunrise.
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re: All Europeans have one common African ancestor?

Postby WolfVanZandt » September 26th, 2006, 2:29 am

Stanley, how do you know that Jesus had a problem with nudity? And He was Baptised, not because any personal (or inherited) sin but to fullfill all righteousness - not specifically His own. It's pretty typical in Christian belief that Jesus lived a sinless life. And I think the other things are quite explainabe, also (in fact the Bible does explain most of them.)
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Postby Stanley Anderson » September 26th, 2006, 3:08 pm

…on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a fair green country under a swift sunrise.
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Postby Stanley Anderson » September 26th, 2006, 3:23 pm

…on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a fair green country under a swift sunrise.
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Postby Leslie » September 26th, 2006, 4:37 pm

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