by WolfVanZandt » September 15th, 2006, 3:34 am
Sounds like irrational justification to me Postodave. It looks as though the church was in consensus about the inquisition, selling church offices to the highest bidders, and using indulgences to manipulate people. So they've changed over time. They might change their ideas about the Immaculate Conception. The Vatican says the church has feet of clay - that's, at least, honest enough.
Church tradition is the periperal stuff. The church is not able to reliably generate doctrine - it is the traditions of man that the Bible warns against.
I didn't say anything about witch trials in Spain - I said the witch trials in Salem (as in Massachusetts); meaning, I'm not busting on the Catholic Church. I'm talking about the entire earthly church that thinks they're able to improve on what God's already said.
And, yes, when I was talkin about slavery, I was talking specifically about the Protestant church - so are we on the same page yet or do you still thing I'm anti-Catholic?
And, yes, the Inquisitions were deviations (they would still be if the laws allowed it). If you read anything about Jesus and then try to compare Him with that fiasco, obviously they're deviations, but so is the rest of extraBiblical church tradition.
What they did to Galileo (the church has apologized about that too) was a logical extention of church tradition. I could go on and on.
I'm gettiing sick of the church saying "We're sorry.We're sorry. But we got better so you should accept everything we say." Some true humility is in order. They need to accept that God is the only authority able to produce reliable doctrine and quit trying to one up Him. The church needs to stop leaning to their own understanding and return to God.
The pederastic priest fiasco is not over because the church only said they did something wrong because they got caught (literally) with their pants down. As soon as the storm dies down, it'll be right back to business as usual. The organized church apologizes when unGodly society forces them to own up - that is heinous. We should be the example for them to follow - not the other way around.
And it disturbs me to no end to see the church apologizing for they past (disaters) and then to hear individual laymen and clergy alike add, "But that was an anomaly." It proves to me that they really don't have it yet. They still want to keep making up the rules as they go along. Nothings solved; there is no remedy yet.